Table Games questions on proper call/ decision for leaning craps roll

I'm new at craps and have a question about the decision made in the pit during a game. Dealer was going to call six for a die leaning against other die. The ppl at table was getting emotional because looked like an 8.The pit claimed if die fell it would show total of 6. Which was b.s.. one of the players, in aggravation , hit rail with hand causing die to fall flat. Well total PT. Was an 8 like the players were arguing. So dealer called no throw after he already called a six! So looks like 2 bad calls 2 me but idk the rules clearly. My 2nf time playing.

 

I'm surprised he didn't call it a 7-out.

In my experience, they seem to call any such roll in whatever way best benefits the casino.
But what can you do, other than color-out & find another crap table.

 

The proper call is how the die would fall if the obstruction is removed.
For example, a die is leaning up against the wall. The two upper sides (possible rolls) are a 2, angled toward the wall or a 3, angled away from the wall. If the wall is removed, the die would fall toward the wall, resulting in a 3.

 

Dealer made the right call.....no roll.

Prior to that. The pit makes the call...not the players.

Both proper calls.

 

I've only seen one really bad call. One die landed like this, wedged atop/between two stacks of chips of equal height on the playing area:



Perfectly straight up and down (I promise).

It should have been a no-roll, but the side facing the box made a 7 and that's what he called.

 

It’s rare that a pit will make a bad call....they’re human. I’m sure they would love to make the players all happy but EVERYTHING they do is scrutinized.

I’ve been on both sides of calls. Sure...I would love to win them all. An yes....I have been pissed.

 

I have seen the box man make calls that benefited most of the table to the extreme detriment of the house. An honest casino can afford to be honest because they always win in the end. If I really believed that a call was made with the intent to hurt the players I’d take topcard’s advice and color up.

 

The exact thing happened to me a few years ago...perhaps we were at the same table for this debacle.
You'd remember if you were there - after they pulled this, the full table emptied in about 2 minutes.

 

It was at Palazzo probably 6 - 7 years ago. Table had been lousy anyway so yeah when box made the call there were lots of groans and pretty much everybody left immediately.

 

I can't remember if it was Palazzo, but 6-7 years ago would've been the last time I played there, so it's possible!
I remember that it was a strip property and that it was a $5 table... ($5 might rule out Palazzo today, but maybe not 7 years ago!).
If it wasn't them, it was Mirage or Harrah's.

 

I guess this is true in that what the dealer/stick or the pit calls is what goes, but in terms of what they should have called for the benefit of the players AND the casino is a different matter. In that way it was a bad call.

The best call would have been to follow the rule of where the dice would fall if the obstruction was moved, which is the basic rule most casinos follow and players expect. What the casino would lose from calling an 8 is nothing in comparison to emptying the table and pissing everyone off, and if anyone stayed I doubt they were gonna be liberal with their tips! If something like this happened to me in Vegas it would be the kind of thing that would turn me off from playing in that casino again, too many other places to choose from!

Though I do agree, after the player bumped the table that should be a no-roll. But it wouldn't have happened if the dealer had done the right thing and made the correct call in the first place.

 

There was obviously a debate going on in the pit....evaluating. Sometimes the boss will interject.

The six didn’t hurt anyone. Obviously one player was frustrated and smacked the table before a FINAL decision was made.

Dealer called no roll....there was no way of evaluating the roll anymore. Would I be angered. You bet. But I would be more angry with the fool for smacking the table because I would have been on either number.

We’ve ALL been on both sides of what could have been. I would like to win them all too

 

I had a 45 degree leaning roll yesterday and dealer called the side facing him, which made the roll a 6 and won me, but nobody else at the table, money. I wasn't disappointed, but the side facing him made it a 6. I can see them calling what's facing them when it's close to 45 degrees and not obviously leaning one way or the other. But a no-roll is definitely the right call if there's controversy.

 

Agree here 100%. But assuming no one was betting huge, the best decision from a marketing and public relations standpoint would have been to just call no roll for the losers and pay the winners.

 

I was playing 2-deck blackjack at the El-Co, nearly full table, when the player at 1st declares, "Hey - you didn't give me a 2nd card!"
Dealer's up-card was already showing, so the pit says to the rest of us, "Your choice - you can play your hand or toss it."
Looking at a dealer face-card, everybody tossed. Pit made her immediately re-shuffle.
That was the best way to handle that hand... if somebody was holding a 20 or an 11, they may have wanted to play... but the two-card garbage that everyone had would NOT have been the hands we got if 1st base had received his proper 2nd card.
Calling this a "no hand" at the player's discretion was the right thing to do.

 

I've only had two questionable calls in craps in the many years I played the game in the past (I rarely play it nowadays) and they both happened during the same session being run by the same boxman.

1. Stickman passes the dice to the player, she calls "hands high", player shoots and the DEALER at the other end of the table sticks his arms out to grab some chips and blocks both dice from hitting the back wall and of course the outcome is a 7-out. I thought this would be a no roll for many reasons (neither dice hit the back wall, the DEALER blocked the dice, not a PLAYER) but the call was the that the dice plays and the players immediately groaned and the boxman just says, "that's just bad luck" and started helping sweep up the chips.....

2. I was playing the Don't Pass and the shooter rolls the dice and as it was bouncing around, the boxman passes a stray chip over to the dealer by sliding it across the felt. One dice came to rest on the felt, but the other landed on the chip while it was still sliding showing a pass line winner and when the chip stopped moving, the dice rolled off and showed a 7-out. The boxman called a pass line winner and I contested it but lost that argument. So bad....

 

I wouldn’t call my experience a bad call but the worst experience I ever had was while playing craps.

My father had became ill with brain cancer and he has since passed on. While he was still sick but not very mobile I would take him out with myself and some friends and we would go play craps. He genuinely enjoyed going out with us and was happy just to get out of the house. So at this point he was in a wheel chair and I made many frequent trips to our local casino. It would be the same routine, we would get to the craps table, I would get him a high chair so he could view the dice roll and place bets at his leisure.

Now about the 100th time of us going to the casino and doing this, and after already playing for about 4 hours. The stick man and pit boss both told my father that he wasn’t allowed to make anymore bets unless he was standing and not sitting in the chair.

I was shocked and appalled. We literally have been doing this for over a year and now this is a problem. We argued, and I mean everyone at the table argued and they wouldn’t let my dad place any bets unless he stood up from the chair. So I decided that I wasn’t going to play anymore and so did everyone else at the table.

That was literally the last time I played craps because I couldn’t believe the treatment. My father never rolled any dice. Always passed when it was his turn. Just thinking about it infuriates me.

 

Always some sort of jackass....

 

Wow, that's pathetic. I wonder if that kind of abuse is covered by ADA. The one and only time I went to Jokers Wild casino in Vegas half the people playing craps were in barstool chairs! Might I ask at which property this happened?

 

It was at Fallsview casino in Niagara Falls Canada. And to be quite honest myself and our group of friends were major donators to their facility so to say I was upset would be an understatement. And I didn’t leave without saying my two cents.