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Table Games Is 6:5 REALLY that big of a deal?

Discussion in 'Table Games' started by Courtney, Feb 15, 2019.

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  1. BlackjackPlayer

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    My last trip I played mainly 6:5 at PH.

    I had one session at a $25 3:2 table but it was the only $25 3:2 table I could find there at night time. It was not in the Pleasure Pit.

    The 6:5 tables were full but when I played 3:2 it was just me and one other guy. He had like 18k in chips and was betting two hands of $500 each. I was betting $25-$50 a hand. I actually came out ahead a few hundred dollars after 30 minutes but it didn’t feel right that I was betting $25-50 when the guy next to me had $1000 on the table and was splitting and doubling for even more at times.

    I asked him if he preferred to play solo and he said he didn’t mind sharing the table. We both got on a bit of a steak so we were giving high fives and having a good time.

    With that said, my bankroll typically can’t typically handle the swings at a $25 or $50 table.
     
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  2. jstkrzn

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    I'll just say this and retreat back into my hole. This conversation appears to be split between recreational BJ players and serious BJ players.

    To us recreational BJ players, myself included, it breaks down to a fun table to play at. On a three day, once a year trip with my wife, I may spend three hours a trip playing BJ. The tables we like playing are outside at the Carnival Court. The music is good, drinks come fast and frequent. It is a fun table. I realize it is 6:5 with some other unsavory rules but fun.

    As a more serious player with a larger bank roll, I always seek out good 3:2 games and usually save a session or two for when we go downtown. In those sessions I am more serious, drink coffee or water, etc.

    The arguement is based upon why you are wanting to play. If you are in for a grind, of course its advantageous to seek good rules but if you are like Clark Griswold and want to tempt your fate at a few hands of BJ, find a table that looks fun with a good atmosphere and enjoy.
     
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  3. Tylersville

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    Why would you ever sit at the same table, in the same casino after losing 10 hands in a row?
     
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    Because you don't believe in the gambler's fallacy
     
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  5. OhioStateAlum

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    This. 4th of July weekend I played 3:2 tables at the green chip level at Wynn, MGM Grand, Bellagio, & PH, and I know a couple buddies played at Flamingo, Caesars, & NYNY. I’ve personally never had a major issue finding a 3:2 game at the $25 level, and my trips are nearly always of the Th, F, Sa variety.
     
  6. Headache 21

    Headache 21 i don't wanna grow up, i'm a toys'r'us kid

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    I think we've established here that it's easy to play greens at 3:2 on the strip and anyone who doesn't is a dope.

    It's the $10/$15 table players who face a tougher decision, if/when they're in a situation where bailing to go off strip isn't necessarily an option.
     
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  7. mrem3200

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    One other option that has worked for me at the Cromwell the few times I have tried it. My friend is a $5-$10 BJ player and I am $100-$150. We used to stay at Bally's or Paris and I would play 6:5 because at his level that is all he could play. To me it was more important to be at the same table as him instead of splitting up. So anyhow, the first time we stayed at Cromwell I was at a $25 or $50 table by myself playing my normal level. My friend came by and was watching and said he really wanted to play but couldn't afford to play at the minimum. I asked the dealer if my friend could play for less than the table minimum and he checked with the pit and said sure, as long as I kept my play at the same level. There was even a shift change and the new dealers and pit were fine with it. Now, this won't work everywhere, especially if the table is crowded. But just an example of a way for a $10 player to play a 3-2 game that I have experienced.
     
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  8. blissfulignoramus

    blissfulignoramus 3:2, nothing else will do

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    Wouldn’t that be the opposite of the gambler’s fallacy? The gambler’s fallacy dictates that you keep betting because you’re “due.”

    I suppose it’s a different gambler’s fallacy (there are so many): that the game is fixed against you, or there is some supernatural reason for the bad streak.

    Anyway, yeah, I am probably going to walk away after losing ten hands in a row, for two reasons: 1) I’m likely to be in the mood for doing something else after that, and 2) my session bankroll is probably gone, and as a rule I walk away after that happens. But if I like the game they’re offering I will come back.
     
  9. BlackjackPlayer

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    That’s awesome. Thanks!

    I’m like you. It’s more of having fun and socializing. I’m not betting thousands...I would rather stay with the people I’m with.
     
  10. Headache 21

    Headache 21 i don't wanna grow up, i'm a toys'r'us kid

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    Great story and example
     
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    Gotta say this shows again why i love playing at The Cromwell - and do so almost exclusively now. They actually look after their players, interests and wills in 95% of cases where they possibly can. By far the best location for $15 BJ and $10 craps on the strip, combined with direct strip access and great CWs. Yes it is a bit of a disaster on a Saturday night with Drai's, but if you can get beyond that, fantastic property.
     
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  12. topcard

    topcard Here's to $10 3:2 two-deck, $5 Craps, and $5 UTH!

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    ...but wouldn't the "eye candy" factor off-set the "disaster" factor? ;) :poke:
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    Because you are about to win 10 hands in a row.
     
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    If only I knew when.....
     
  15. Leonard_Bets

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    I think the rule that is hidden in this debate over 3:2 vs 6:5 is the double after split (DAS). On previous sessions with Ceasar properties like PH and Cromwell they offer a great low minimum for the strip 3:2 game at times, but will chop off/trade off that a bit by not offering DAS as an option. Many times those are the hands that can make or break a session. Anyway it might have changed recently at Cromwell for the DAS maybe someone can confirm? If they give you 3:2 and advertise what great rules they have, but don't allow this one it's still a dealbreaker. I laugh because someone may think "ok I got to find a playable 3:2" and that is what they are only focused on. Then they find it but they are still sacrificing a heck of a % without the DAS and the marketing (come here all BJ 3:2) has sort of suckered them on the one BJ payout rule. For a BJ nerd like me and Topcard I'm sure as well it's not unnoticed. It's the combo of all the rules when you are scoping tables not just the payout (although this is crucial). A lot of times the number of decks decides this as well 2 vs 6 decks. For the let's just have fun and gamble for a few hours I totally understand why 6:5 is being played and the time to have stopped it is long past in Vegas. Just wishing to add a little more awareness.
     
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  16. Tylersville

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    One more question from me... earlier and often in the thread you all have been discussing the "loss" of playing 6:5 compared to 3:2. Are you talking about the expected loss due to the house edge or a loss due to getting paid less on a natural 21?
     
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    I believe the 8 deck game at Cromwell allows DAS. It's the double deck game that doesn't.
     
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  18. topcard

    topcard Here's to $10 3:2 two-deck, $5 Craps, and $5 UTH!

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    Well, many other issues are being discussed, but for me - the only point of debate is the "loss due to getting paid less on a natural 21".
    As Leonard pointed out a couple of posts up, 6:5 vs 3:2 is not the only factor in a "good" table vs. a "bad" table.
    But for the purposes of this thread, I've always included the assumption that "all other rules are identical".

    Will I play a "no DAS" table? Yes - begrudgingly, I will sometimes sit down at the 3:2 double-deck pitch games offered by Boyd at their downtown properties.
    Those tables constitute about 5% of my total "per-trip" blackjack play... but I do admit to playing them periodically.
    But here's the thing about DAS vs. 6:5 - you give up a fraction of a percent with "no DAS"...you give up more than 1% by playing 6:5...so, yeah - the 3:2 game with no DAS is still significantly better than the 6:5 game that allows DAS.

    As I pointed out earlier in this thread - if the casinos were to actually offer a 'trade off' for dealing 6:5 - like every other "carny game" does, I might consider it.
    For example: "If the player & dealer both bust, it's a push."
    They put that rule in place at 6:5 tables? You'll find me playing them exclusively!
     
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    Not the ratchet gang that I saw when Travis Scott was playing! lol
     
  20. jcooper911

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    Cromwell definitely offers Double After Split, Double Any Card, Late Surrender on its shoe game - the only thing that I recall you cannot do is Re-Split Aces...

    As Headache 21 said, think the DD game doesn't allow DAS or RSA however...
     
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