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Discussion in 'Video Poker' started by bnlphan, Aug 15, 2018.

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  1. bnlphan

    bnlphan Degenerate In Training

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    Okay folks ive mentioned before ive been going an internet cafe here.
    They have pot of gold machines with video poker on them.
    They have an 8/5 jacks or better machine. 50 cents and a progressive.
    To qualify for the progressive you only have to bet 4 credits. So $2 instead of 2.50.
    Progressive is currently at $1500.

    If my math is correct thats a 102% expected return on 4 credits.
     
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    are you sure about 102%?
    $2 bet, 800:1 royal should pay $1600.
     
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    Im not sure. Used a wizard of odds calculator.

    4 credits would normally pay 1000 credits on a royal which would only be $500 on a 50 cent machine. 5 credits still pays the same progressive amount less than the normal 2k dollars so return takes a horrible hit playing 5 credits.

    Maybe some of the math wizzes here can correct my math if im wrong.
    Payout for 4 credits would be
    4-8-12-16-20-32-100-200-3000 credits
     
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    your numbers are correct, but wizard of odds calculator would not say 102%, unless he is drunk.
     
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    But if all bets paid the max royal on normal machines, 4 credits bet should pay 3200 credits (800 for 1) for a royal. So $1500 (750 for 1) shorts that a bit.

    So IF (a gigantic IF if it's in your home state of Kentucky), this pot of gold machine follows Nevada/Indiana riverboat/Ohio casino laws and offers VP from a "random, standard, cards equally likely" poker deck. Then the payback would be with the paytable you correctly wrote for 4 credits would be 97.17%.

    Given it's an "Internet Cafe", I'd assume it's a glorified slot with at best an 80% payback.

    I think "Pot of Gold" games can be programmed either way.
     
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    I agree with the above.
    math says 97.17%, not good for a real casino.
    But it is too good to be true for an internet cafe.
     
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    Thanks guys. Figured it was too good to be true. It is fun to go in and spend 20 or 30 bucks every now and then. They have a deuces wild 50 cent machine with progressive up over 2200 but I havent paid close attention to the lower payout. I did hit a royal the other day but was only playing 2 credits. since I just put 30 bucks in. Good thing is no one plays the VP on those machines every plays Keno so figure eventually me or gf will hit the progressive. They make a killing on them because it automatically holds "the best cards" which are incredibly wrong holds inside straight draws on JoB and 3 to a flush on Deuces lol
     
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    The holds likely don't matter. The game is technically a sweepstakes by the way this paper describes it. Like I said, you'll probably be lucky to get 80% payback no matter which game you play. Here is a PDF discussing these games from the American Gaming Association.

    https://www.americangaming.org/sites/default/files/research_files/wpaper_sweepstakes2014_10202.pdf
     
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    I knew that about the server based gaming they have on the computers. They are a ripoff but wasnt sure about the Pot Of Gold machines. They are supposed to be Class II I think stand alone like a regular slot machine. but do know they can be doctored as well. So very information out there on the pot of golds every time I try to find anything its all about hack devices. For the time being I'm having decent luck playing them.

    The server based computers the only way to win on them is to vulture the community jackpost. They have a mini, minor major and mega. The mini is guaranteed to go off by $50 so will wait until it hits $40 then throw $20 on and slow play until it gets hit. Then I cash out and go back to the pot of gold.
     
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    Jumping on minis at $40 ( must hit by $50) is usually a losing long-term play in real casinos, so I most certainly guess it would be there as well. But you're saying this is a community thing, so do you only have to play like one spin every 10 seconds or so to have an equal chance at it?

    Regardless, this place is really designed for people to lose long term. If you're actually ahead currently, I'd really consider running far and fast!
     
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    Once your reels stop and any payout is done you have 25 secinds to spin again to stay eligible for community prize. Once you spin again it adds ten seconds so have to spin at 15 second mark. If there are two other people playing. I generally add one cent to the pool out of ever 9-10 cents added. Mini goes up one cent per spin. The bigger jackpots go up slower. Mega gets split evenly between everyone playing and can get over 6 grand. I know the whole place is a losing proposition but whats 20 here or there when our nearest casino is two hours away with 7/4 jacks or better quarter machines.
     
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    Is the mini split among the players, or winner take all? If it isn't split, there probably isn't an advantage on winning that by playing slower. But I really don't know that much about these machines.

    It's okay if you're just playing for cheap entertainment and to save a 2 hour drive, I just wouldn't put too much into any of these games.
     
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