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Slots If you discovered a malfunctioning slot, would you take advantage?

Discussion in 'Slots' started by kaeldon23, Jul 21, 2018.

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If you discovered a malfunctioning machine, would you take advantage?

  1. Yes, for every penny I can get!

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  2. Yes, but just small inconspicuous amounts to offset my losses.

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  3. No, I'm afraid I'd get in trouble.

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  4. No, it's immoral.

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  1. IM ALL IN

    IM ALL IN High-Roller

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    I'd take it. Some machines many lines played late at night or early morning I don't have the wherewithal to ask myself if I was paid too much. But good on you all for noticing. Now back in the old days if dollars are spilling out when I'm only supposed to get $100 silver coins and it keeps adding up and I needed more buckets,,,well again, I'd take it, but someone would have to be noticing me adding buckets so I'd probably say something to someone. (as I'm asking for more buckets).
     
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  2. nostresshere

    nostresshere Mr. Anti Debit Card

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    I have encountered quite a few machines that were not working as expected. I would put in $100 and it would be gone in a minute. Then another $100. Gone in a few minutes. Kept doing it, over and over. None of those displayed payouts ever came to me. Damn.
     
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  3. Jaygee77

    Jaygee77 Low-Roller

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    If they came back to me asking for any of the money back, I'd ask them to review all of my losing sessions as well, to make sure that those were all on the up and up also. Only fair!
     
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  4. Multifarious5

    Multifarious5 VIP Whale

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    Ack hard question, fun thread. I would answer all, depending on how much alcohol was consumed.

    Scenario one--stone cold sober: Once I saw it was a glitch, I'd feel guilty and get off. I would NOT report it though. Who knows if it's a bit of good fortune, albit shady good fortune, that someone less fortunate needed. (If it was someone's TITO, I'd look for them or hold the machine, hoping they came back ....but a casino glitch? I'd just walk.)

    Scenario Two--happily buzzed:
    I'd like to say I'd behave, but I think I'd give it a few spins, thinking it was a short-term glitch. If it kept going, back to reaction one...get off and say nothing. Then I'd spend the next day obsessing on feeling guilty...which is why option one works best for me...I do guilt well. :)

    Scenario three--drunkiepants: Like @bubbakitty , if it was only replenishing small amounts, I probably wouldn't even notice.

    (PS: My Vegas rule, for me, is that a decent buzz is allowed, but not if it shows. BUT, occasionally I've had it hit me where I know it is time to go to the room, before I DO look loopy. That is when I probably wouldn't notice!
    :whistle::drunk::whistle:)
     
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  5. bboy554

    bboy554 Low-Roller

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    I wouldn’t feel bad at all - it’s basically just extra free play. There’s actually a trick you can do at foxwoods to get double free play more than half the time. I have no guilt about using it. Either it’s a glitch they should be aware of but aren’t, they’re too cheap to fix their systems, or they’ve programmed in a little bonus to help industrious grifters ;). On the other hand,, I’ve probably stopped dealers from giving me more than $1000-$2000 in overpays over the years, so it evens out.
     
  6. Rush

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    We get a couple of these threads a year. Its always fun to see how some people justify their actions.
     
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  7. Dean Martin

    Dean Martin VIP Whale

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    Like some have said, I doubt I'd even notice. My normal FP allotted when I go to Wynn is only $300 and when I play it, I'm usually playing $1VP. I just play like normal and every so often look up at the FP to see how much is left. Now one time when I won $1200 in FP at one of those daily slot tournaments that they have, I took that FP and played $5VP in the HL room. In that case, I was watching the FP much closer and probably would notice. So what would I do...? Good question. I'm steadfast about finding money or a TITO and trying to return that money. I've had both scenarios happen, once at the Mirage I found a wallet on the floor that was loaded w/ $100 bills...like he had just been to an ATM. I got in line at the Players Club to turn it in and while waiting, I saw a guy coming down the aisle on a half trot with a look of shock/despair on his face. I held the wallet up and he just about fainted right then and there. I said, "you don't mind if I check the DL just to make sure do you?" And he said "absolutely not". Another time I found 2 $100 bills laying on the floor in the Bellagio. Now to me, turning in cash is a lot different than a wallet. How does someone identify that the cash belongs to them? You can't. So without the ability to make a positive ID, what would the "house" do with it if you turned it in? Probably keep it. So.... having previously been thru the Mirage incident, I sat down and started slowly playing a 25 cent machine and stayed there for about 30 minutes, keeping a watch for someone that was clearly looking for something lost on the floor. No one ever showed up so I kept the cash. I honestly couldn't think of any other way to handle that situation.

    Now Free Play from a malfunctioned machine....that's a tough one for me. Free Play is given by the casino damn near like candy to most "active" players. It costs them nothing and my guess is way over 90% of it is put back into a machine. To be honest, "if" I noticed it, I'd probably be tempted for a few minutes to let it run it's course.. But.....although I'm very capable of guilt, the much more devastating thing to my brain is this little thing called Karma. I am a firm believer of the "what goes around, comes around" theory. So knowing without a doubt that if I let this go on, I would have this huge negative black cloud of karma hanging over me, I'd pull my card and let somebody know. Fear of bad Karma and guilt....maybe one of the same? Either way, I know better than to set myself up for a bunch of negative aura in a casino.:poke:

    This also brought something to mind. Knowing how the customer service is at Wynn, it would not surprise me at all that if you went to a manager to report this that he/she could very possibly give you some FP as a thank you. That's just the way they are at Wynn.:nworthy:
     
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  8. Tex

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    So what you’re saying is we shouldn’t use our players card when this happens :whistle:
     
  9. Tex

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    Can we cash out just enough to pay the resort fees and not be considered as lacking integrity?
     
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  10. LV_Bound

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    Taking the ethical dilemma out of the equation and I would be hesitant in playing because if I won BIG it would be a heart break if the casino denied it because the machine malfunctioned.
     
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  11. Rush

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    Whatever justifies your actions!
     
  12. Dean Martin

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    That’s a really good point!
     
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  13. Tex

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    LOL
    I don’t even play slots. And when I watch them being played I can’t tell what’s going on anyway.
    I truthfully probably wouldn’t even know.

    It’s interesting though that we could say the same thing you mentioned about “justifying” concerning the properties in Vegas and their use of resort fees.
     
  14. Lady Fortuna

    Lady Fortuna Blessed with luck and ignorance...

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    I voted: Yes, for every penny I can get!

    I had to think about it for a while though, because I consider myself an honest person, with high integrity and good conscience. But I compared it to some other situations and decided I would take every penny I can get, without bad conscience.

    The situations I compared it to and based my decision on:

    If I go to a store to buy a PC and I find one with the original price of $999, but with a sign: "Special offer, 10% off, now only $99.90!". Then I do realise that they've made a mistake and the special offer price of $99.90 is actually the amount of money (the 10%) which they should have deducted from the full price and not set as the special offer price itself. I know the example is a bit far-fetched (who makes a mistake like that), but it makes no difference how big or obvious the mistake is, the law is still the same, I only have to pay the price which they advertise and not the actual price which they hold in their systems. In this example, even though I know it's obviously a mistake and the "honest" way (in the face of God and my own conscience) would be to acknowledge that and pay the correct price, I would still take advantage of the law and demand to pay the price they have accidently advertised. Without bad conscience.

    The casinos provide me with free drinks when I gamble, with the sole purpose that the alcohol will make me play looser and I will spend more money gambling than I would normally do, when I would be with clear mind. Also, when I sit at a slot machine, it usually won't take long for the CW to show up to take my order, but then it takes ages, before she returns with the actual drink. Also with the aim to make me play longer than I normally would, as I "have to" (don't have to, but they play on my conscience like that, as we're raised to not be rude) wait for the CW to return with my drink. I don't think the casinos feel guilty or have bad conscience, about drugging me or tricking me into getting more of my money. I don't think "they" would do such a thing to their own mother though, without bad conscience.

    Therefore I would feel no remorse, to take full advantage of a malfunctioning (by their mistake, not mine) slot machine.

     
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  15. Lady Fortuna

    Lady Fortuna Blessed with luck and ignorance...

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    I don't think they can do that. They cannot prove I noticed the malfunction, so I did nothing wrong, other than playing on the machine the way they provided it. The only thing they can do is shut down the machine and prevent me from playing further.

    If they would not allow me to keep the money I won on a malfunctioning (by their mistake, not mine) machine and I would accept it, they could do that with every customer who wins a large price. Can you imagine?! They only have to say, when they come over for a hand-payout, "Oh I notice this machine is malfunctioning, I'm sorry, but you are not entitled of your prize". And you say: "OK :confused:".
     
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  16. VinVegas

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    The casino programs the machine to take your money. If they screw that up, then I am playing till they throw me out!
     
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  17. Electroguy563

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    I remember at our local supermarket I came across a whole bunch of fresh packaged salmon fillets. Each package had a fillet averaging 1.5 to 3 lbs.

    Every package was priced .89 per pound instead of usually 8.99 per pound.

    I rang the service bell and when the worker came out I showed him the error. With not even a thank you he packed them all up and brought them back into the cutting room.

    So yeah, I won't judge anyone who takes the casino for every cent they can get if a machine is malfunctioning. That's what I voted.

    I do suggest every once in a while cash out the TITO and have someone redeem it as soon as possible....:p:beer:
     
  18. Texas Rock

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    I am so superstitious that I wouldn't be able to enjoy and of the 'winnings' and I'd be constantly looking over my shoulder for the Bad Karma Monster....

    Reminds me of the old Double Down loophole that some software guys took advantage of on Video Poker machines and ended up in court a number of years ago. (I don't remember all of the details, but they found a sequence of events where they could manipulate the amount of their bet after they had won - so they could bet .25 and once they won, if they hit the double down feature, and then inserted more money, they were then able to change their bet to $5 so their initial 4000 quarters would become 4000 $5 bills.)

    Their defense was along the same lines - If the machine allows it to be done, it is all fair game...
     
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  19. tringlomane

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    And the prosecution did such a horrible job they got away with it! As Nevada law is written, you can argue they broke the law by their definition of defrauding the casino, probably could argue the same for the original scenario described. But if you do it for a one off for for a few hundred or less, no way the casino takes action. And most likely they don't even notice.
     
  20. ardee

    ardee It's only money.

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    For those interested, here's a pretty informative article about slot machine malfunctions and several
    examples of how/why they happen. Scroll down for info on payout display errors and other related issues.


    https://vegasclick.com/games/slots/malfunctions

    You can also check out the Nevada Gaming Control board website for FAQs about slot machine malfunctions.
     
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