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Old 06-27-2011, 07:15 PM
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Slot machines are random but… if you play slots and all of a sudden you’re on a machine that starts hitting 10x your bet every few spins you stay on that machine until it stops doing that. That is considered a trend.
But Ken you won't play slots so you'll never know.
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Ive seen slots follow random losing patterns as well as winning streaks. The only variation I can find is how big your bankroll is and how many spins you can crank out in a session.

My little grey haired mother was convinced that slot machines would start "kicking in" when they hit a loss limit. You could never convince her otherwise, and she would throw good money after bad. But it gave her pleasure to believe it when she gambled and won.

I think everyone has a "theory", if there is a "wining theory" people who know it are keeping their mouths shut and taking the money to the bank.

As far as payback percentages increasing your win %. They only come into play as to the number of reel stops having more payable spins They are still theoretical and averaged over time. Short term hits are still very random and very much just the result of Dumb Luck.
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Old 06-28-2011, 07:03 AM
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That is considered a trend.
It is considered a trend by YOU. The Random Number Generator does not remember any past hits or past misses and the Random Number Generator does not know it is supposed to follow any trends... each result is independent of those hits and each is independent of those misses. The RNG does not "trend". It is Random.
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Old 06-28-2011, 07:38 AM
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I'm not arguing RNG but anyone who plays machines, and I play a lot of VP, no slots, knows that a machine can be hot, cold or somewhere in between. Is there a way to predict it, absolutely not! But when you get on one that continues to payout, you know it. When you're getting quads every 5-10 minutes, that's a hot machine!

Now, if only I knew when it was going to go cold then I would know when to quit.

At Main Street, about a year ago, a guy hit 3 royals on the same machine in a little over 4 hours. I call that a hot machine. After the 3rd one, the casino actually shut it down to be tested. Now maybe if a royal is supposed to come up every 40k+ hands and this one doesn't hit for the next lets say 200k hands, it becomes a cold machine.

I have also spent way too much time on a machine thinking it has to warm up soon and just continued to lose. Could the next hand be a royal? Again, absolutely, or just another hundy down the drain.

I fully understand RNG and realize every hand is totally separate and independent from the previous hand. My only point is that machines can get hot or cold and that to me is a trend during that session. Hours later the same machine might suck all the money out of my wallet.
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How do they know if a macine has a 95% pay if they have no control
over it??.Why does a machine never hit the jack pot back to back??.
If the casino has no conrtol over the machine then the machines sure
like the casino!!.I never see a machine lock on pay all night,But I
have been on one locked on no pay for days.lolWhy Why Why???
I've seen the jackpot hit back to back before. I was at the MGM about 10 years ago and I was playing the Cherries Jubilee $1.00 slots. The lady next to hit the progressive jackpot (over a grand) when the slot attendant came to hand pay her, she asked her to play off the jackpot screen. And Bango, Jackpot again. Back to Back. So it happens.

A Double Diamond Deluxe pays $1600 with two dollars in, but $800 with one. So, if your playing with $20 bucks, you have 20 chances to win $800, add in any smaller jackpots along the way and you might have 25 chances, and so on. There's no real advantage to playing max coins here.

I agree with this in principle but I would never not play max bet. In your example it only costs me a buck more to double everything I hit. Triple bars pay $40.00 and for just a buck more I could have $80.00! And thats just too frustrating for me to play anything under max.
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I've seen the jackpot hit back to back before. I was at the MGM about 10 years ago and I was playing the Cherries Jubilee $1.00 slots. The lady next to hit the progressive jackpot (over a grand) when the slot attendant came to hand pay her, she asked her to play off the jackpot screen. And Bango, Jackpot again. Back to Back. So it happens.

A Double Diamond Deluxe pays $1600 with two dollars in, but $800 with one. So, if your playing with $20 bucks, you have 20 chances to win $800, add in any smaller jackpots along the way and you might have 25 chances, and so on. There's no real advantage to playing max coins here.

I agree with this in principle but I would never not play max bet. In your example it only costs me a buck more to double everything I hit. Triple bars pay $40.00 and for just a buck more I could have $80.00! And thats just too frustrating for me to play anything under max.
You might care if you are playing on boulder highway and wanting a drink as your comp. Too me that is a none starter to begin with.

Everyone seems to have their system for what is luck of the RNG draw!
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I was playing the Cherries Jubilee $1.00 slots. The lady next to hit the progressive jackpot (over a grand)
a $1 slot with a progressive that's only $1k? sounds pretty weak to me. now if a $1M jackpot hit twice in a row, that would be something.
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Old 06-28-2011, 09:09 AM
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You might care if you are playing on boulder highway and wanting a drink as your comp. Too me that is a none starter to begin with.

I dont play for the drinks, from what I hear slow paying that machine for your free beer usually ends up costing you more than just buying one at the bar.

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a $1 slot with a progressive that's only $1k? sounds pretty weak to me. now if a $1M jackpot hit twice in a row, that would be something.
Like I pointed out this was 10 years ago well before nearly every penny machine had huge progressives attached to them. And I'd take the odds of hitting on those 1K+ progressives any day of the week. Those same machines are still at MGM to this day, they hit frequently and are still very popular. Anyway it was in response to jackpots never hitting back to back. No one said Multimillion dollar jackpots hitting back to back. And if you wouldnt be happy turning 4 bucks total into back to back 1K+ each handpays I dont know what to tell you shift...
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Old 06-28-2011, 09:34 AM
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Grid I did not think you play for drinks and I agree with you. I should have use a teal colored font.
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interesting thread...dumb question...Does anyone think the payback percentage is affected by the size of the bet? It always seems to me that when I start betting max coinage, the payback rate goes down.
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