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Wynncore - Host Referral

Discussion in 'Comps' started by taishos, Jun 15, 2012.

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  1. taishos

    taishos Newbie

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    Hi All,

    First time poster, long time lurker, and I've really enjoyed the great info on here. I was hoping I could obtain some advice on an upcoming trip I'm hoping to take:

    I've been staying at Bellagio/Aria for some time, and wanted to try out Wynncore as a guest for the first some at the end of this month. I was wondering if somebody could refer me a table host and offer a relative comp level estimate based on my play below.

    Front Money: $50K

    Avg Bet: BJ: $200-250, Craps: $185+; $160 Place+ $25 Pass w/full odds
    (Do they rate the odds at Wynncore?)

    Hours/day: 4 hrs BJ, 1-2 hrs craps

    I generally don't care about the type of room I'm staying in - I'd rather have more RFB comps than staying in a large suite, etc. Would love to be referred to a good host and know what to ask for when I contact him/her.

    Any help would be greatly appreciated - thank you very much!
     
  2. Ike

    Ike Low-Roller

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    Why do you bring so much front money for that level of betting?
     
  3. taishos

    taishos Newbie

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    Haha, good question - I suppose it's a bit silly but I like knowing I have a large BR on hand in case I decide to get frisky.

    Plus, a cashiers check for a lesser amount would cost me the same $7, so why not? :peace:
     
  4. shifter

    shifter Degenerate Gambler

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    with that kind of front money you'd normally get a nice suite at RFB, but they're going to be expecting at least a $1-2k avg bet. with a $200 avg, you're barely going to get a room and maybe a little F&B.
     
  5. Ike

    Ike Low-Roller

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    Shifter is right, you're less than a $1000 a day theo player, so don't expect much beyond a nice room. You'll probably get some F&B depending on how many days you stay and play, but you aren't going to be your new host's priority especially after they see your level of bets with 50k in front money. If you aren't planning on putting more of that at risk, you're betting off staying at one of the low end properties where they'll appreciate you more.
     
  6. shifter

    shifter Degenerate Gambler

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    mainly because it's silly to put that much at risk when you don't have the chance to win much. betting $200/hand you'd have to go on one hell of a heater to win $50k. but if you get on a bad streak and start going crazy, it's easy to piss away the entire $50k. if you're willing to risk $50k per trip, why not play at a higher level where you can reasonably expect to have a nice trip and win $50-100k. at $200/hand you'd be lucky to win $10k on a good trip.
     
  7. A.J. Polson

    A.J. Polson MIA

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    50 K but only 200 a hand? That just doesn't add up to me. At that level I don't even see why you would need a host. I think maybe something like the Mirage might be a little more your style and its a great hotel. If you decide to put the rest of that 50 K into play though you should talk to Alan.
     
  8. natedog666

    natedog666 17 and 20 Expert

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    I can sort of see the point of the OP. I bring 500k FM and get a 2m line because I want to be able to bet 175k a hand maximum if I hit that wonderful shoe that we all dream of. However, what usually happens is I hit the theo requirement for 500k (125k), get my various rebates, and move on to the next casino. The reason I get treated like a 2.5m player is because I've lost over that amount once (went nuts on tilt, don't like to think about that trip).

    Most casinos have a minimum FM or line requirement for you to qualify for certain things, like tournaments or airfare reimbursement.

    However, in the OP's case, after the first trip the host will realize that he is not really a 50k player...at Wynn honestly you don't get much bang for your buck anyways at 50k, much better at Mirage or MB.
     
  9. irmster

    irmster Low-Roller

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    I think $250 for 4 hours may just about get you a room at Wynn. That's the minimum bet suggested for additional nights when you get free play offers.

    Then again, I get 3 nights in a Parlor suite and $200 a day FB at Wynn, and I only bring around $5k FM sometimes - but comps for slots players there are much easier to come by.
     
  10. Tubbs

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    I do not have a host referral for the OP (although I do have a host - it seems a host at Wynn is for life - her name sits there on my account although I have not been in touch for about 5 years) but if he is playing BJ & craps at around $200/hand for 5-6 hours a day I would expect him to get a room comp and some F&B credit at Wynn.

    I think the question is whether he can contact Wynn and get anything upfront or just book a room and get comps at checkout. The $50k front money is attractive but, as others have pointed out, he is not planning to use most of the front money. So if a host does comp upfront he will be disappointed to find a much lower average bet than expected.

    Options -

    1. Contact a host, emphasise the front money. Gloss over the average bet. Hope for something nice upfront but expect the host to be disappointed later.

    2. Contact a host and explain that you are moving from MGM, explain your level of play and hope they will offer a room or more upfront.

    3. Just go and play at Wynn. Contact a host part way through the trip and take it from there.

    I would go with option 3!
     
  11. A.J. Polson

    A.J. Polson MIA

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    Personally I think the OP will be disappointed with what he'll get with his play. Maybe, and I emphasize the maybe, he'll be able to get something half decent up front if he focuses only on the front money. However that will only work once and after they see his average bet any future offers will be scaled way back.

    I'm of the opinion he would be better off somewhere like The Mirage or Caesar's where its easier to get comps and 50 K will mean more. You have to remember a relationship with a hot or a casino is a long time thing. Thinking only in short term one time advantages wont get you anywhere.
     
  12. shifter

    shifter Degenerate Gambler

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    exactly. if you have a history of losing a certain amount, they will be more forgiving even if you don't play at that same level every trip. but if you show up at a new property with $50k, and play $200/hand for a couple of trips, they'll quickly back down your comps to a $10k player level and won't care that you bring $50k each trip because you don't use it.
     
  13. taishos

    taishos Newbie

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    Thanks for all the replies, everybody - greatly appreciate your feedback.

    I ended up receiving recommendation for a host, and described my expected play as I had posted here. (50K FM, $200 BJ for 4-6 hours, and $250 craps 1-2 hours)

    I was quoted with an offer for a comped Tower Suite and $300 RFB/day for the first two nights upfront, which I gladly accepted. This is right in line with what I was hoping for, so I'm a happy camper.

    Again, thanks to everybody for the advice - you all made great points, and I'll definitely keep the amount of FM in mind for the future.

    I'll post an update as to my actual rating and comps after the trip. Thanks again!
     
  14. MangoPort

    MangoPort Low-Roller

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    I don't think there's anything wrong with disappointing a host with your level of play.

    Suppose they comp you like a $1k bettor but you're only a $250 bettor, you're no worse off than if they originally comped you like a $250 bettor. It may hurt future comps, but it will only mean future comps are now comped at the rate you should have originally been comped at.

    The only downside would be if you bet $250 per hand for the next couple of trips, have one HUGE loss where you lose it all, you'll still probably just get comped a lot for that one big loss but your future comps might still reflect the $250 per hand. But perhaps not.

    A big bankroll is nice, but the more I up my own bankroll the more I up my bets; I seem unable to have more than 30 bets for a trip, and for a session nothing more than maybe 15 bets (sometimes much less).
     
  15. shifter

    shifter Degenerate Gambler

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    the host is obviously comping you based on the 50k FM and hoping that you're underestimating your avg bets. after this trip if you do indeed only get rated at $200/avg and don't lose a bunch, he will likely drop the RFB for the next trip.
     
  16. RC

    RC Low-Roller

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    I think Mr Natedog has the best approach to comps that I've seen on this board. He hits his theo req for his first casino and then moves on to the next place. This really helps a player if something happens for the bad at his "home" casino, much like what happened to the people who used to play @ TI. Most would have thought they were "ok" to keep their play with only TI when it was part of the MGM group of casinos, but then when TI got sold off then TI by itself was not really a place that people wanted to call their "home" any more and they were left with trying to start over with other casino(s). "Date", but never "marry" your casino ...
     
  17. A.J. Poulson

    A.J. Poulson MIA

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    I agree you should never limit yourself to one casino or even one company. You never know what can happen if they change policy's or get bought or sold or something of the sort.
     
  18. dunebug81

    dunebug81 VIP Whale

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    Better to be a big fish in a little pond. Stay at the Excalibur!
     
  19. A.J. Poulson

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    That is kind of what I was thinking but I wouldn't go that far. Mirage I think would suit him more while still being a nice hotel.
     
  20. dunebug81

    dunebug81 VIP Whale

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    Lol, Oh I know no one would actually do that.

    Seriously tho, Mirage is quite nice, I've never been able to win shit at a baccarat table there but I still go in there every now and then to play.
     
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