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Wynn vs Mlife

Discussion in 'Comps' started by Ogxpeiwen, Feb 8, 2013.

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  1. Ogxpeiwen

    Ogxpeiwen Tourist

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    Hello,
    I was wondering what is the Wynn offers like vs Mlife offers. I am usually a blackjack player at MGM and MB at around 100-400a hand and I usually get 3-4 night suite comp up front at both properties with usually no food and bev credits. I was wondering what kind of offer I would get from Wynn is I were to switch my play there would I get suites there as well? And how about higher CET property like Caesar.

    Any comments will be appreciated. Thanks!
     
  2. thecarve

    thecarve Misanthrope

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    Like you, I primarily play blackjack. I’d say my average bet is in the $200/hand range (plus or minus, depending on my luck). The offers I get are usually for a standard room, sometimes with a couple hundred in freeplay or resort credits.

    My host does a little better for me though. She usually comps my room on the Tower Suites side. (Just a “normal” room, but there are some nice benefits from staying on the Tower Side.) Usually, if I stay in the Tower side, I don’t get much, if anything taken off the bill at the end of the stay, though. If I stay in the Resort Tower, I usually get $500-600 worth of room charges taken off the bill.

    I should note that I do play a little VP. I think it has probably helped my comps a bit vs. playing BJ only, so my experience might not be the same as someone who doesn’t play anything but BJ.
     
  3. bacclover

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    Problem with Wynn is that they require a bit higher play just to cover the room. And unlike mLife, the hosts at Wynn will actually give you a hard time if you underplay your upfront comps, unless you've lost big.

    However, if you're not staying at Wynn but playing there, the hosts can issue some really good comps. I've once played maybe 2.5 hours of $200 baccarat, got a dinner comp for 1 person for 1 appetizer, 1 entree, 1 dessert, and 1 alcoholic beverage. However, since they're okay with an $85 glass of wine, my single dinner comp came out to be $230 pre tip, and they went ahead and fully comped without even needing to ask the host.
     
  4. Ogxpeiwen

    Ogxpeiwen Tourist

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    Thank you for your responses, so that probably means I am probably better off staying at the MGM Properties and stick with MLife.
     
  5. tacallian

    tacallian Low-Roller

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    That's not what they said. :p

    There are downsides to Mlife too.
     
  6. RiddickBull

    RiddickBull VIP Whale

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    You have to play much bigger at the Wynn to get comps. My brother plays about $500 per hand in BJ. All he gets is a suite room covered, not much more.
     
  7. usctrojanmd

    usctrojanmd Newbie

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    It's not just the bet. It's the hours and house advantage. I play 150 in craps for about 7 hours per day at Wynn. Comped room, food (excluding when I dine with a group), phantom transport to/from airport, access to any of their clubs for me +3 guys and as many girls as we can pick up. Walked straight into Avicii at XS about 20 mins before he was going on stage - skipped all lines and even allowed to take our drinks in. It may also help that I tip well at the table and make playing fun for all other players.
     
  8. LAV

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    Precisely. Per usctrojanmd, he gets about a 262.5 avg per hour at four hours of craps a day, and he is able to get all these. It suggests two things:

    1. Craps earn good comps as I have always suggested, and
    2. He may be having a really good relationship with his host, who takes good care of him.

    But for the poster who said that his brother plays $500 a hand a bj, and he only gets a room, it's hard to gauge as we don't know how long he is playing. If he avg. at least 4 hours at $500/hand, then I would suggest he goes elsewhere to play.

    If it is indeed that's all he's getting for such play, then Wynn really is screwing their bj players with comps.
     
  9. blackjacknut

    blackjacknut VIP Whale

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    This is dead on...note the hours played and also the tipping. It's been my experience in Vegas that this kind of play will get you the comps in most Vegas Hotels/Casinos. You need to also look at length of stay, front money and CL and how deep you go into your CL. Also build a GOOD relationship with a host..this will get you a long way also.
     
  10. Malibugolfer

    Malibugolfer High-Roller

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    Your play will not come close to warranting a free Parlor or even an Executive.
    They might give you a free TS room but only after the fact until they really know you.
    Wynn has gotten tighter with their upfront comps to low level players.
     
  11. stackinchips

    stackinchips High-Roller

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    Just echoing what's already been said, but in my experience, it's not hard to get a room comped up front, but getting anything comped in addition to what they offer upfront is difficult. Here is what my theory is on the Wynn thought process:

    We'll give out free rooms somewhat liberally as it really costs us just the cost of cleaning the rooms, and it gets us gamblers in the door.

    However, when you go to ask for any additional comps, the Wynn wants you to build up enough theo to pay full rack rate for the hotel room. I think that's the difference between the Wynn and say Mlife (or others), where Mlife may have a bit more realistic view of what the $ value (in theo) that room is worth.

    That being said, the Wynn's rooms and service are so good, that often times they don't need to offer much more to get someone to choose their hotel over another. I would have to be getting at least 500-1000 in F&B or FP to stay somewhere else, assuming we're talking base level rooms.
     
  12. Jadefire5457

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    Hey USCtrojan, I'm a young craps player myself (Aria/Cosmopolitan) I play $25 pass line w/max odds and start making 1 or 2 $25 come bets w/max odds if the table seems "hot" (we're paying money to be superstitious, right? Haha). I play from 4-8 hours a day, with some BJ in there for good measure.

    I haven't given any play to the Wynn, but it sounds like you have an awesome setup going for you there getting walked into XS and what not :). MGM has been alright to me (comped room, some show tickets and f&b $$). I don't think they give comps at the cosmopolitan, that's a myth ;). Luckily, Cosmo's craps tables have coughed up enough money for me to pay for their overpriced rooms.

    Two questions for you, if you don't mind:
    1. Does your $150 craps average @ Wynn include odds? (Cosmo includes odds but MGM properties don't).
    2. Does your host still work at Wynn? If so, would you be willing to PM me your hosts e-mail? I'd be willing to switch properties for a host that comps what I enjoy doing.
     
  13. bacclover

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    In my own experience, $25 pass plus $50-100 odds isn't going to get you Rolls Phantom transport. Heck, that bet won't even get regular Limo :cry:.

    I was $2xx average bet at Wynn for sufficient hours, and barely got my room and cheap food comped. They were initially even reluctant to comp my $30 breakfast (since I was winning).
     
  14. Nittany1

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    Jadefire5457,Plyaing $25 pass line with odds and 2 $25 come bets with odds will have you rated as a $75 player.Odds don't factor into theo.
    You will probably not even get a comp room at Wynn for that.

    With the $400 you will have on the table,you would do better with place bets in terms of comps.
    For the same action you may give up 1-2% but will be rated as a $250 player vs.$75
    Big difference in what that will entitle you to in the comp world.
     
  15. Jadefire5457

    Jadefire5457 Tourist

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    Thanks for the advice folks :)

    I'm not looking for the limo treatment per se, it was really more just the idea of having a host that comps what young people enjoy doing (especially going clubbing). I was asking what USC's betting pattern (odds or not) was to discern how he attains a rating that allows his host to be good to him.

    I can't wait to roll some bones! I'm due to be back in Vegas the first week of March ;)
     
  16. Kickin

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    Jadefire a couple of things. If you're not doing bottle service just having a host walk you into a club is not a comp per se. When I used to go to Vegas more regularly with others who wanted to hit a lounge my hosts would often walk us in if we weren't doing bottle service (in which case you wouldn't need to be escorted). Its just a service and doesn't cost anything in terms of comps. If you have a host that you have a good relationship with and they're going to be on the property at that time you hit the club just ask them. A couple of times years ago my MGM host did comp two bottles at Tabu even though my play didn't warrant it at all but we also had a lot of people and would need to buy like 4 more bottles anyway. Second, like others have said the $75 average bet at craps isn't going to get you a whole lot but if you are booking on a free room offer at Wynn then you should ask your host about an upgrade to a Tower Suite which will include the airport transfer. All else being equal its going to be easier (i.e. less costly of a comp) getting a suite via an upgrade from a free room offer than just outright from scratch. Also, while Cosmo does rate you on your odds bets don't read much into it. All they do is lower the HA against you by the appropriate amount so your theo isn't going to show any material change.
     
  17. ams722

    ams722 Side Bet Shunner

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    My friend just got an offer in the mail today for $129/night weekdays and $219/night weekends and a free upgrade to a new King room in the Encore or something.

    His gambling at the Wynn consisted of MAYBE an hour of $15/hand BJ. I know I gambled there a lot more than he did. If I get nothing in the mail, I'm gonna be pissed.

    We always wanted to stay there, but the prices are SO HIGH if you don't get an offer like that. We are not high rollers by any means, we'll never get comped rooms there based on our play. We just wanted a discount like this one, and we got it.

    Their offer website is Wynnspring.com, although it doesn't seem to function properly when I enter the code in (imagine that, a players club website that doesn't function...).
     
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