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Table Games Wynn Blackjack: Good News/Bad News

Discussion in 'Table Games' started by thecarve, Sep 28, 2012.

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  1. thecarve

    thecarve Misanthrope

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    Last week someone mentioned that Wynn had replaced some BJ tables with roulette. (It might have been UKFanatic, maybe? Someone correct me if that’s wrong, I want to give credit where it’s due even if it is to a Wildcat fan:Þ.) I stayed at Encore last weekend and just wanted to (a) confirm that observation and (b) add a few other things.

    The Bad News:

    In the pit nearest the B Bar and HL room where Wynn deals their best main floor BJ games (6D, S17, DAS, RSA, LS), two of the BJ tables have been removed and replaced with roulette tables. Where the roulette tables once stood, there are now some poker based carny type games (sorry, can’t remember which games). The poker-type games carried very low minimums - $10-15 at all times. I can’t remember what the roulette was – probably $25 considering the area it was in.

    The Good News:

    Ironically, I probably saw MORE good games of BJ being dealt at Wynn than I ever have. While they have removed two tables, nearly every other table in that area was open. Usually, over half of those games are closed (at least in my experience) and sometimes they shut the entire pit down during the day. Also table minimums were as low as I’ve ever seen them at Wynn. The aforementioned shoe games always had several $50 tables available. And during the day, I saw them at $25 a few times. The DD games were almost never more than $100, and usually had a few $50 tables as well. And the HL room was almost all $100 tables; $500 was the highest min I saw.

    All of this with the hotel “sold out” on the Saturday I arrived (I heart radio, Barrett-Jackson, Mining convention, Garth in town etc.).

    I’ll let you draw your own conclusions. But if I had to guess, I think the fact that they had so many good games available was the result of an overestimation they made about how many players they would have that weekend (due to the high room occupancy). Therefore, they had many more dealers working than they needed. The removal of two good tables is probably the more significant thing to take away from this, though. Oversupply can easily be remedied with better scheduling. The loss of the tables is a much more “permanent” thing and probably portends bad things for fans of good blackjack (at Wynn).

    Oh, one other thing: I also saw someone mention that Encore does not allow re-splitting aces on their 6D, S17 tables (CBJN also lists those games as not allowing RSA). I was able to re-split aces at least twice that I remember. Both times a pit boss was standing at the table chatting with me. So, I doubt it was dealer error. It ultimately ended up costing me money. But it is a “player friendly” rule in the long run.
     
  2. WrongWayWade

    WrongWayWade VIP Whale

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    That's good to hear that at least you can get a 2-deck game for $50 or $100, not $300-$500 like a previous thread mentioned. Is it a true pitch game, (players handle the cards)?

    However, you can go nearby to Venetian and Palazzo and at most any hour get a 2-deck H17, DAS game, real pitch (if I recall correctly) for $25 minimum, though I've never had much luck in there.

    Re-splitting aces is obviously a good rule for players, but both it and Late Surrender aren't worth a big amount. With RSA it happens very seldom and worth about 0.07%. LS is worth about 0.08%, but you do it a lot more often. If you're counting cards LS is far more important because you often invoke it when you have a large bet and will do it more often when you have a large bet.
     
  3. thecarve

    thecarve Misanthrope

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    All the DD games at Wynncore are dealt face up – at least all the ones that I’ve played.

    Yes, you can get the DD games at $50-100 @ Wynn and Encore. The ones in the HL room may be S17, though. (I didn’t look too closely at the rules as $500 mins are too rich for my blood.)

    At Palazzo, it was exactly as you remember – true pitch and the mins were $25 and $50 (more of the latter).
     
  4. Big Tip

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    But this is how I judge the casino. Do they give a crap about the player, or do they think everyone is an idiot? Not that much for them to give, but it sends a big message to the "real" gambler, the ones that know, that says, "yes, we understand and want to cultivate your play."

    It seems like such a simple business decision for them to make to me.
     
  5. UKFanatic

    UKFanatic The Arbiter of Taste Caviar Kid

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    Stick your tongue out all you want! As a UK fan, I am entitled to rub it in until the first Monday in April when someone else takes our crown (I am also a realist and not counting on back to back titles).

    I have basically stopped playing BJ over the past two years. I pretty much walked from Zoosacrackers to the book to the line of craps tables when I was there a couple weeks ago, so I can't take credit for any BJ observtaions (but I will take the credit that I in no way deserve for UK being champions of the semi-pro universe known as college basketball :drunk:)
     
  6. thecarve

    thecarve Misanthrope

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    LOL. Good enough…I’ll go ahead and take credit for Christian Watford’s gorgeous three at the buzzer last December, then! (Though, I’ll choose to wash my hands of any events that may have happened in March.)
     
  7. Llew

    Llew Low-Roller

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    All of Wynn/Encore's 6D games allow RSA (and surrender).

    More bad news: at least one of Encore's S17 tables (in the pit just outside the HL room) - the ones that usually vary from $25 to $100 minimum - has been replaced with a H17 table in the last 6 months. When I went there in the wee hours, they had the H17 table open and the remaining S17 tables in the pit closed. I had to go to the HL room for S17.
     
  8. Malibugolfer

    Malibugolfer High-Roller

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    thecarve, I was the one who mentioned the Wynn rules.
    It's funny about Encore's games across from their HL Bar. I have played the 6deck and had dealers play it both s17 and h17. Go figure.
    I miss the early days when the two pits by the B Bar and 14 or so tables were all s17.
    Oh well.
     
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