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Worth giving up comps to try new hotel?

Discussion in 'Comps' started by Max2589, Oct 3, 2012.

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  1. Max2589

    Max2589 Low-Roller

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    I am currently set up this weekend at Cosmo. Comped 3 nights
    wraparound + 150/day F&B + Limo. In additon, any
    other charges I rack up my host has ALWAYS picked up.

    The guest of honor, our bachelor has ended up in the hospital
    in ICU with some serious emergency. His fiance said
    his first words in the operating room were "what about vegas?"
    Clearly, hes not going to be in any shape for that in 3 days.
    He insisted we go without him and party in his honor.

    Some friends bailed but there are a few still ready to go.
    I have them all set up on Casino rate at cosmo. They have
    all been before and are now asking to maybe go elsewhere.

    Issue: besides CET properties and Cosmo, I have zero play history
    anywhere. With the help of this board I have contacted hosts at
    both Aria and Wynn. I was able to get comp nights at each
    with no play history based on my a quick chat about my averages.
    However, any F&B etc is all on the backend. I think that is more then
    fair all things considered.

    I am nervous about making any change. Cosmo and my host have been
    so good to me. Furthermore, I feel like i may get short changed at these
    other properties with respect to comps.

    However, it may be nice to get my feet wet to generate some offers elsewhere. I am thinking about splitting my trip 50/50 Aira/Wynn and rebook my cosmo stay with my GF for Halloween weekend.

    I am generating 1k-1500 theo daily strictly in Roulette. How will Wynn and
    Aria respond to this play and what should I expect in F&B spend?
    Does anyone know what they calculate room rates at ?
    What room should I ask for?

    What do you guys think, take the plunge or go back home to Cosmo?
     
  2. JillyFromPhilly

    JillyFromPhilly Tourist

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    At $1000-1500/day theo, you're most likely looking at $400-600/day in comps at most places - so I would say if you want to make sure you have plenty of breathing room for F&B charges, you're probably not going to rate any of the bigger suites - but you could likely get one of the "suites" that's really just an extra-large room [I forget what they call them at Wynn], or a non sky-suites suite at Aria - or, perhaps a sky suites room [from what I understand they do have rooms in the sky suites section] or a tower suites room at Wynn or Encore.

    As for getting comped at a place you have no play history, any more it's SOP for them to only comp you the room upfront and evaluate F&B on the back-end at any of the top tier places on the strip. If you want more of a guaranteed upfront offer, you might want to look into moving a step or two down the food chain and see what kind of offers you get.

    If they can look at your play history from another place, that will be enough to get your foot in the door - but opening a decent-sized LOC or giving them a specific amount of FM you plan to deposit will get you the most mileage in regards to upfront comps at a place you've never played at before.

    Also, another thing you have going for you is that you play roulette, which is a high HA game - so any casino should gladly welcome a new roulette player [I play a fair amount of roulette, and I get a lot more comp mileage out of that for the dollar compared to what I get from my BJ & Baccarat play]

    Finally, I would say IMO it's definitely worth possibly giving up some comps now to rack up some play at another place you'd want to consider staying at in the future - it never hurts to establish yourself - the more places you have history & host relationships at, the more options you give yourself going forward.
     
  3. BeeeJay

    BeeeJay President of The Red Lobster Hostess Satisfaction

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    Hey Max

    Curious how you play roulette....normal bets and amount per spin.

    I have had good experience with Wynn based mostly on roulette play and using a host. Very similar numbers to yours for daily theo. I had especially good experience with them initially with this play, with quality of offers slowly decreasing over time.

    CET never gave me much for that type of play, MGM's did initially but that has fallen off a cliff for me. I hear if you get a good host in the MGM's its fine, but I've met dozens of "tools" there and never gotten lucky enough to meet even a passable host in the MGM stable, except for a few who have since left.

    Also I think hotel quality decreases almost anywhere you go from Cosmo, except maybe Wynn. You might also like Aria. It also looks like Palazzo is returning to giving some offers.

    Geez Jilly why are we up at 5am Eastern? I can make it to AC in about an hour and meet you for breakfast at the Borgota roulette tables!
     
  4. JillyFromPhilly

    JillyFromPhilly Tourist

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    LOL - I'm actually in Providence, RI right now on business, so I'm a little further away from AC than normal. When I'm on business trips, I have a tendency to get back to the hotel, and crash hard, then wind up waking up intermittently during the night, which is why I'm sometimes on here super late or super early [and sometimes I'm on the West coast, too]
     
  5. BeeeJay

    BeeeJay President of The Red Lobster Hostess Satisfaction

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    that's funny, exact same deal for me, get back to the room and pass out by 9pm, wake up at 3am. Lucky for us there aren't casinos everywhere!
     
  6. Max2589

    Max2589 Low-Roller

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    Beeejay,

    I play only inside. My bets are generally anywhere from $200-$600 spin
    but when I am up, I will pepper the table with blacks and sometimes purples (yet to hit one purple straight up). I like to play long sessions, at least 4 hours at a pop and I don't start till around 4am when Im very intoxicated. I play better in that state of mind, what can I say. I never use credit but I do stick a decent stack in front money. I'm loud, borderline abusive to others (in jest) and I tip dealers well. I guess the casinos like my action. Thats my strategy and I'm sticking to it.
     
  7. mike_m235

    mike_m235 Tourist

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    It depends on what you are planning to do for your friends. Do they see you as the 'host' and expect you to get everything set up for the group? If so, stay at your home property where you have a relationship with a casino host and he can help you -- not just with comps, but with setting up things that the group wants to do.

    If you're just one of the group, then go with what the group wants. But if you're the leader of the trip, lead.
     
  8. Max2589

    Max2589 Low-Roller

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    Mike,
    They are aware at Cosmo they will get some Perks. However, we have done the Cosmo thing so many times they just want some change. They don't care
    to pay some more to stay somewhere else as they are paying casino rate any way. I have a tough time stomaching the thought of shelling out money for dinners and other perks I know would be free for me If I stay at Cosmo. I have never walked out of there with a bill. In fact, I have over a thousand dollars worth of points in my Identity comps alone which I have never had to use. The decision falls on me, they don't really care all that much. I just need to make up my mind. No limo, resort fees, possible food bills? Why subject myself to that? Is Wynn or Aria really worth it over my Wraparound suite and treatment?

    ..Should be the least of my problems in life.
     
  9. mike_m235

    mike_m235 Tourist

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    Max
    It is a good problem to have. But I think I'd go with the group. I'm actually facing a similar situation for the superbowl this year -- going with a group of people and they think they want to stay at Planet Hollywood, because one of them had a great experience there. All my comps are at MGM.

    The difference is they are looking for me to be the one to get the superbowl party set up, which I clearly can't do at a CET property. So I'm still struggling with basically the same thing.
     
  10. luvvp

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    Sounds like you answered your own question. Stay at Cosmo and experiment some other time.
     
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