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Will I get RFL at ARIA?

Discussion in 'Comps' started by killa2001, Aug 17, 2012.

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  1. killa2001

    killa2001 MIA

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    Hello,

    I have been to Aria a few times over the past year. Generally, I buy-in for $2500 and play $200+ per hand for 4-6 hours per day. I usually bring 3-4 buy-ins. Will I receive RFL or possibly a suite? How much would I have to bet to receive RFB ($500 per day in F&B)?

    Will I get descent comps at the Wynn with this play?
     
  2. nostresshere

    nostresshere Mr. Anti Debit Card

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    What sort of offers have they sent you?
    What shows at mlife.com for you?
    How many EC's did you earn during those visits?
    Which game are you playing?
     
  3. Nittany1

    Nittany1 VIP Whale

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    Nostress has it right.Need to know your game etc.
    The one thing I will addd is that my comps at Aria are definitely higher than Wynn for the same play.
     
  4. 777

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    Is it 3-4 buyins per day or per trip? I know from my experience at Wynn is you will get just free room may some f&b but not much with that buyins per trip.
     
  5. 777

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    Assuming you are playing blackjack, that amount may not last you 4 hours... I had a horrible week last week lost 10k in 4 hours betting 100-500 a hand.
     
  6. C0usineddie

    C0usineddie VIP Whale

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    If you play at that level, you should already know.
     
  7. killa2001

    killa2001 MIA

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    I play midi baccarat so the pace of the game is a bit slower.

    The best offer I received was 3 nights free at Mandalay Bay.

    Last time I played (6-7 hours @ $200-400 per hand), I got about 1 night comped at NYNY and used my EC to pay for the rest of the bill. I got about $140 in EC for the play.
     
  8. Tubbs

    Tubbs High-Roller

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    You are not getting clear answers because you are not asking a clear question!:peace:

    You are a midi baccarat player. Forget about how much you buy in for. Your average bet and time spent playing each day are what matters. You have mentioned $200+ and $200-$400. $200-$400 is a big range, how does it average out? How many hours a day do you average.

    You asked about Aria but have had several stays there so not sure what it is you want to know about future offers/comps. Do you just want to know about getting RFB offers upfront or what level of play will get you a room and $500 F&B comped each day?

    You will get advice about Wynn with a specific scenario as well.

    "Last time I played (6-7 hours @ $200-400 per hand), I got about 1 night comped at NYNY and used my EC to pay for the rest of the bill. I got about $140 in EC for the play."

    Clearly that play, on one day, is far more than is required for a room comp at NYNY. More info please. Are you asking whether that was reasonable? Did you go on an offer, for how long, did you stay in a suite?

    Give clear info about the situation and what it is you want to know. Hopefully then you can get a clear answer. :beer:
     
  9. killa2001

    killa2001 MIA

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    Sorry guys, I was unclear.

    Lets start over. I usually buy in $2500 and play $200 minimum per hand. I have $10k for 2 days total. My bet will range from $200-400 per hand (average ~$250 per hand). I play midi baccarat so the hands are a bit slower. In general, I will play 4-5 hours per day. I play about 40 hands per hour.

    The best offer I received from MLife was 3 days comped at Mandalay Bay. I have played at Aria 2 times at this level. I do not have a host yet. I was planning on going to Vegas in a few months. Should I be getting comped for the level of play? RFL? I plan on going to Aria.

    Thank you everyone for your help. Much appreciated. :beer:
     
  10. Chuck2009x

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    If you get rated at $250, estimate 40 hands/hr, you play for 4 hours a day, and the HA at bacc is 1%, then your theo is:

    250 x 40 x 4 x .01 = $400/day

    30% comp of $400 = $120.
    40% would be $160.

    I wouldn't expect you'd get RFL at Aria based solely on that play.

    Since you say you've played twice at Aria at that level, if it's been at least a couple of months since those sessions occurred, IF your play was high enough to interest them, I'd expect you'd have received offers directly from Aria by now that might have included freeplay and/or F&B credit, although MLife has been doing internal audits which may have slowed down the marketing process.

    But just on those numbers above, I don't think it's enough to expect much more than maybe a room. If you're not seeing anything in your MLife account or in the mail or email from Aria, the best thing to do is call.
     
  11. Tubbs

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    OK. It seems like you are not getting great offers from Mlife. I do not pretend to understand the vagaries of casino marketing but the fact is that players with similar profiles can receive widely differing offers, or no offers at all. Unless you get an offer that seems exceptionally generous, I would forget about offers.

    What happened at Aria in the past? Did you get a room offer through Mlife, book through casino marketing or just pay for the room? Did you see anyone at checkout time to get the room and/or F&B comped?

    For future trips you need a host. You need to contact the host to ask what they can do for you. All you need to do is email the host or call if you prefer, give them the dates you will be in Vegas and ask what they can do for you. You can press them on F&B comps if you want.

    $250 a hand is becoming a bit of a grey area these days. It used to be that $250 a hand, 4 hours a day, was often quoted as the figure to earn RFB (with 'reasonable' limits on F&B), but with Express Comps and pressure on hosts that figure seems to have risen.

    You do have a history at Aria, which will help. The host may just offer a room and say they will review other charges at checkout, or they may offer some F&B upfront. They might even offer a small suite. Who knows?

    I will PM details of an Aria host you can contact.
     
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  12. killa2001

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    Thank you everyone for the help. I will contact a host and book my trip at the Aria. :thumbsup:
     
  13. shifter

    shifter Degenerate Gambler

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    short answer is no. $200/hand will get you a basic room comped and maybe a little bit of F&B, but not much. definitely not a suite and definitely nowhere close to RFB. you'll need at least $500 avg for a small suite at RFB.
     
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    Shifter - Do you have a feel for what level of play hosts at places like Aria and Bellagio are looking for these days, when it comes to covering a standard room and F&B? I posted that $250 a hand (BJ) for 4 hours a day was often quoted as enough for RFB, although the amount of F&B was never quantified.

    I'm wondering what a host looks for now, in the Express Comps era, to offer RFB upfront or pick up all F&B at checkout and how much F&B that actually covers.
     
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    shifter Degenerate Gambler

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    you have to realize that with Bacc you get 1 hour of credit per shoe. shoes in midi can last 2-3 hours regularly, so 6-7 hours can only get you 3-4 hours of credit. $140 in ECs is just over $1000 in theo, which, again, will only get you a free basic room.
     
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    not really sure, but it seems like $200 is the going average to get a regular room comp from a host without an offer at the top tier places. so in the $300 range for F&B also, $500 for F&B and a suite. but that's only going to cover basic food, not fancy dinners all the time.
     
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    Last Aria trip in June I had an average of just under $400 for about 3.5 hours a day.
    They comped a SkySuite and most of my F+B and that was eating at fancy restaurants every night.
     
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    what kind of Sky Suite? if a regular room, that sounds about right. if an Aria Sky Suite, you were treated very nicely.
     
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    Aria one bedroom Sky suite.
    Not the super large end of the hall penthouse but a real suite with living room,bedroom and powder room inside the front entrance.
     
  20. Tubbs

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    Thanks for that.
     
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