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Will a change in playing style affect my offers?

Discussion in 'Comps' started by reedy, Dec 3, 2015.

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  1. reedy

    reedy Low-Roller

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    After 2 earlier trips of breaking even and losing a little this year I decided to change things up for my most recent November trip. Usually I play 2-3 sessions of blackjack a day buying in for $300-$500 a time and playing $25 a hand. This November I went with more of a hit and run strategy of buying in for $300 each time and playing $100 per hand until i either doubled up or lost. It worked out well for the trip but more importantly i enjoyed playing this way. It gave me a lot of time to fit in sports betting and trying so other non gambling vegas things.

    My home base has always been Golden Gate DT. I do have a host but normally just use the mailer i receive for 3 free nights in their suite and a small amount of freeplay/food. I'm sure most of you who play at the GG receive the same offer. I did feed about $100 a day in to the bartops to play VP while waiting for the GF to get ready in the evening so im not sure if that will help.

    Anyway, i sent an email to my host outlining my change in play and asking what to expect. Have yet to hear back so i thought I'd throw it out to the board.

    Thanks
     
  2. shifter

    shifter Degenerate Gambler

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    Terrible idea to email your host about it.

    Casinos hate hit and run players.

    They want you to grind it out at the tables for hours on end.

    Buying in each session with a goal of winning or losing 3 bets is a player the casino despises.
     
  3. reedy

    reedy Low-Roller

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    So what you're saying is............................................its a bad idea. Damm you Shifter.
     
  4. Bondy3

    Bondy3 Low-Roller

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    I do this at the el cortez sometimes (blackjack at a significant amount for 1-5 hands and then walk away from the table) I really dont think they like this type of play, they would rather I play longer at a lower level, dont tell your host what you are going to do, it will only hurt you
     
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    Ouch! No lines to read between there, lol. But, I agree with Shifter, Hit and Run = limited losses/coin in and they don't want you freeing up time for non-gambling activities. Tell your host? It's like telling your mom you're skipping school on purpose and not leaving room for them to chalk it up to a bad luck/quick out of $/anomaly trip.
     
  6. reedy

    reedy Low-Roller

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    I mean, I'll didn't email my host verbatim what i wrote above but i hear you guys.

    Obviously something that i should be doing at casinos I have not interest in getting offer from.
     
  7. paperposter

    paperposter VIP Whale

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    they hate this type of play

    thats why they want time vs bet to give you comps

    i woudnt email host anything trust me he will see you that u basicaly no played when he checks
     
  8. nostresshere

    nostresshere Mr. Anti Debit Card

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    Not only do they want more time per session, but I think you will find some pit critters do not even bother entering what you did play.

    As to talking to host - no way would I bother with that.
     
  9. paperposter

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    thats what i ment by no play by the time you sit down , you will go gone and your host will see no play on your comp.
     
  10. nostresshere

    nostresshere Mr. Anti Debit Card

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    but, they will know you were there....so your play, or lack of will go into the average.

    Now, a follow on question... how much will it impact your offers. If you have been there many times, one visit should be okay. Or maybe you drop to something a bit less. If you save $500 playing this way, you can easily pay for the food and drink. So, you come out ahead.
     
  11. paperposter

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    depends if he does a hit and run they might not even get him in the systyem that why i said he might get it as a no play on a comp.
     
  12. PHVHost

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    I'll answer this from a host perspective. When I look at players I want in my book, I look for consistency. That is the most important thing to me. I also look for folks that are reasonable in what they ask for and understand when they don't get carte blanche and that past play and losses have zero bearing on what I can comp during that current trip. We reward consistency big time. Players that have consistent play will see better offers on the front end and higher comps on the back end. For hit and run players, the problem is they don't generate much play. That being a function of average bet and time in action. You reduce one or the other then you will see both offers and comps drop. As far as whether we like or don't like players that play big quickly, I wouldn't say it is a like or unlike question. What it does do is make it very difficult to give in the door incentives. If we feel a player will just come in, play disproportionately high average bets to their bankroll, in a very short period of time, it is very risky to give promos in the door because that type of play is unpredictable. I can comp a player SIGNIFICANTLY more that loses, lets say 10k, over 16 hours than someone who loses that over an hour. I have a lot of customers that I try to coach into actually reducing their avg bet, many times unsuccessfully. I do this for both selfish and unselfish reasons. Unselfishly, the chances of that "big quick win" are pretty low and I hate to see someone get blown out so quickly and not have fun, I also want to see them get more for their play. Selfishly, we are graded on play, not win/loss, so given my limited time resources I really like to focus on my consistent customers. That being said, play how you like to play man. Point is to have fun, so if playing big and fast is fun for you then go for it. Just understand that there is a downside, so it is up to you to decide which is more important to you.
     
  13. Packer

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    Well said hunter. Let's golf.
     
  14. PHVHost

    PHVHost CET Casino Host

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    Finally got rid of the shanks so I'm down!
     
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    For a second, I thought you typed "skanks" ...lol
     
  16. PHVHost

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    Getting rid of the skanks would be an unmitigated disaster
     
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    :evillaugh

    That was an awesome response Hunter.
     
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