Table Games Why is Craps the one game where NOBODY plays "by the book"

with my friends, im the guy who always does the

pass with odds, come bet with odds, next come bet with odds, 7 out. after everyone has max money out haha.

after I switched to playing the darkside, I can hit everything but a 7.

I just have more fun playing the pass. laying odds psychologically seem bad to me to risk more to win less.

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I love splitting 10s!!!!

 

Playing craps "by the book" can minimize losses, but you cannot overcome the long term house edge over time. This is not the case for successful card counters playing blackjack.

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If you truly played by the book, you wouldn't play craps at all because your best bet is not to bet.

Beyond that, people are willing to trade different amounts of theoretical loss for the entertainment and social value found in a variety of bets and betting the same way as other people at the table.

Betting the Don't doesn't offer much along those lines.

 

As others have noted, the HA difference between Pass and Don't Pass is microscopic. Anyone playing either (with full odds) is playing "by the book".

 

Bingo. The dark side seems to be a slow grind and not a lot of fun, at least for me. Nothing like one good heater to really make your day or even your trip.

 

It is a combination of how people think and society works.
Most people make scenarios fit their view.
Also for some reason the BJ players are a completely different breed who feel that by referencing "playing by the book" statement feel they are for some reason better and anyone else. And anyone who doesn't play by the book is the reasoning for them to lose.

In Craps, the difference between playing by the book and playing pass is nominal. So the deciding factor to me would be which is more fun. Craps players and slot players seem to understand about playing for entertainment.

 

I NEVER tell people how to play.. even when they are making horrific mistakes. I let someone else say something first then may chime in. May fav ways of playing ( which ARE NOT by the so called book) are the regression system for place bets placing the 5,6,8 9---- 2 or 3 whichever isn't the point.. bet 4or 5 x table minimum ( maybe more depending on bankroll, how the table SEEMINGLY is running, etc) one hit regress ALL down to the minimum, the after each hit spread to the bets which aren't covered, the maybe press . Or can remove ALL bets and wait for the point to be made or new shooter.....Problem with this if the 7 comes out before ya hit 1 number ..Ya have taken a good blow to the bankroll.

2 nd "so called strategy" bet line ,back it with full odds place 2 points( 2x minimum or more ) and then when hit either take winning and keep as is,, or spread to 3 then 4th number at minimum then press.... Problem is ( see above).

AINT NO FOOL PROOF way to beat the game. Best way to play is probably the most boring and a grind... just bet the line and back it up with full odds if betting right. If betting don't just bet the line.......

 

Pedophiles every where are offended that you lumped them in with dark side players.

To me, the risk of ruin factor, more than offsets any slight advantage gained playing the don't.

 

The thought of losing all my money on a heater disgusts me. I can tolerate losing on a cold table, obviously it happens quite a bit. But to take a beating when I should be making enough to make a decent dent in my mortgage would haunt me for months.

Darkside is not an option for me.

 

Craps is like roulette... Theres no right or wrong way to play.

 

I also think the "book" is wrong about taking max odds too. As long as you're betting the minimum on the pass line, your expected loss will be exactly the same regardless of your odds bets. So you should play the level oodds you're comfortable with. But if you're at a property where odds are included in your rating, then yeah, max odds is better.

 

I dont get it...if the HA difference between the light side and the dark side is so small, why would the dark side be a slow grind and the light side not be :confused2:

 

You wouldn't gamble period then...

Except in Roulette all of the bets have the same HA...

In Craps there are definitely wrong bets...

 

I would only counter this by saying that someone not playing by the book in blackjack is meaningless because it has an equal chance to affect your hand in a positive and negative way. It's just that you likely only remember the times when a guy sitting on third base stood on 16 against an 8 and then the dealer turned over 8, 5 to make 21.

The only thing I can think of is that when you play the Pass line, you also generally play some numbers (e.g. 6 and 8) and can pile up the winnings if you get a hot roller. If you're playing the dark side, you probably don't throw anything in the middle.

 

The biggest reason is that you're laying odds rather than getting them. So when you play the don't pass, you have to bet MORE money than what you win. For instance if the point is 4 and you are playing the don't, $50 in odds is only going to pay you $25. The same bet on the pass will pay you $100.

That's why I said earlier, you need a big bankroll to play the don't. Even a mediocre roll can put you in the hole, especially if they're hitting 4s and 10s.

 

Oh wow...I totally didnt even think about the odds switching like that! But it makes sense since it is more likely to NOT make the point of 4...so the pay off to guess correct is less

Thanks for the explaination!!!

 

But the pattern of the darkside is usually NOT losing it all on one roll. If you play three different don't-come bets, you can only lose each of them one at a time, and you'll win them all at the same time when the 7 comes. When I play the dark side, I usually skip the come-out roll (no don't pass bet), and then play three don't come bets with some odds. Then I won't be upset when they make the point.

But yes, if the shooters won't roll a 7 at any time, you're in trouble. Another cool thing about don't come bets is when they roll the natural on the next comeout, you get paid in full. Keep your odds on all the time; (I can't remember if that is the default on don't come odds or if you have to ask.)

 

While I rarely play the don't this is my preferred way of playing it as well.

I like having a lot of bets out there. When Playing Pass/Come it is very easy to get many bets out there that all of them lose on just 1 roll. I love the benefit of mutliple don't come bets. You are never in a situation where 1 roll can ruin you.

 

I have been playing craps for several years now and have always been a right side bettor.

If a table is cold or is cooling down I will just back down my bets somehow. I cannot bring myself to bet the don't at all.