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Why doesn't MGM link their two tram systems?

Discussion in 'Getting There & Getting Around' started by NMNV, Apr 2, 2015.

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  1. NMNV

    NMNV Tourist

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    Is there any compelling reason why the two trams (MC-Crystals-Bellagio and Excalibur-Luxor-MB) are not linked? MGM owns all the land and casinos in the area between the two tram systems.

    Is it just too much money to build a connection?

    If they did build one, MGM would immediately have a 7 complex tram system without even having to cross Las Vegas blvd. It'd be just as, if not more useful for the average tourist compared to the monorail and would keep people at MGM properties. With the new arena it'd alleviate traffic concerns as parking at any of the 7 resorts and taking the tram could put you right near the arena.

    Can anyone with much more knowledge of the industry than myself shine some light on this?
     
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    zlanga Low-Roller

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    Tropicana Blvd? I would imagine the logistics of crossing an 8 to 10 lane rd would be immense. I could be wrong though...
     
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  3. NMNV

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    The MB-Luxor-Excalibur tram already crosses W Reno and Mandalay Rd which are almost as wide.
     
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    klawrey High-Roller

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    Almost as wide but not nearly the traffic, actually Tropicana has exponentially more traffic.

    Not to mention trans were built at different times so would include different technology in cars, tracks and mechanics so you'd have to handle that and unify the systems.

    Then you'd have the riot that is the taxi cab authority and drivers rising up because revenues would fall for with 7 properties being connected and most stops nearly right in the casino.

    Great idea in theory but these are likely some of the reasons MGM has not done this. I'm sure it has been brought up but they likely have their reasons they are not doing it.
     
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    SH0CK Stylin' and Profilin' Quasi Tech Admin

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    This would be my thought. Could be a right of way issue. But then again, how do you get it from the corner of Tropicana and the Strip, around NYNY to link up on the other side of Monte Carlo.
     
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    The simplest reason that I can think of is that nobody has thought of it.

    A more complex reason is that at one end of the strip they have lower value properties and at the other they have higher value (per capita) properties. It makes sense not to dilute the value of either by cross-pollinating traffic.*

    * I could write a white paper on this subject, that's an incredibly high level reason that could be picked apart very easily based on my lack of justification.
     
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    It's a good thought, but if they could make more money than it would cost to implement that reason would quickly vanish :)
     
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    gpenguins67 High-Roller

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    I'm sure there must be some kind of non compete clause with the pay monorail that runs behind mgm as well.
     
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    They thought of it. It was originally in the city center plans to be linked. If I remember correctly it was ditched early on since the MB/Luxor/Ecal was built in the late 90's and everything, include the track and pullers, would have to be replaced to match. Whats in place now is actually 2 independent trams running side by side. The only thing that would be saved was the pillars it rides on and the stations. Since CC fell way behind and cash strapped this was ditched.
     
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    Maybe MGM has plans to sell the Luxor and/or Excalibur one day to reduce their massive debt ...
     
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    I am sure it would have already been done if they deemed it worth the investment.
     
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    yeah this
     
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    I'm all for personal transport suction tube systems connecting their hotels ala Jetsons. But will MGM listen? Nooooo.
     
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    There has also been talk of connecting all 3 (well, 4 if you include the Mirage/TI mini tram) monorail-type trams along with the various extension-to-McCarren, Freemont, and around to the West side of the strip ideas. Also remember, the big Monorail was started as a MGM/Bally's link that later extended up to the Sahara. So, there is precedent for taking a private inter-casino tram and extending it to public use.

    Though, as has been mentioned, the Southern tram (MB, Lux, Excal) and Northern Tram (MC, CC, Bel) are very different systems. The Southern one runs on cables and I think the Northern one is more car-propelled, more like a Disney style Monorail. Plus, as mentioned, there are obstacles, some just engineering exercises (NYNY) and others political (Tropicana Blvd.) If there was enough money behind it the problems could be overcome, to a point, but it just isn't anymore.
     
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