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Table Games Why do I have to keep to the strategy?

Discussion in 'Table Games' started by Mrs. K., Mar 9, 2015.

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  1. Mrs. K.

    Mrs. K. Low-Roller

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    Ok, I know I'm setting myself up to be ripped to pieces, but will someone please explain to me how I'm ruining someone's game if god forbid I hit on the wrong hand in blackjack? I'm a mostly slot payer so I come from a place of good luck charms and divine intervention -- not strategy. But I like blackjack. I am afraid to try tables unless I'm with a group, so I usually just play with the virtual dealers, and my fellow players don't seem to care what I am doing. I know basic strategy and sometimes I choose to ignore it. So what is the problem?
     
  2. smartone

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    You're NOT ruining anyone else's game... there is no problem... it's your money, gamble as you see fit.
     
  3. thecarve

    thecarve Misanthrope

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    You're not ruining anyone's game. Anyone who thinks otherwise isn't terribly fond of logic.

    That said, I'd recommend you learn and follow basic strategy if you'd like your money to last as long as possible. But if you don't care then don't worry about it. It doesn't effect anyone else.
     
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  4. USCHawks

    USCHawks High-Roller

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    When somebody makes a stupid move and it results in them winning you never hear a word of negativity. When a person takes the dealers bust card, even if playing correctly, you will still sometimes hear people bitch. Just have fun and play however you like. Some people may get up and leave but some may just sit there and bitch about it. If you feel uncomfortable, just get up and find another table.
     
  5. UKFanatic

    UKFanatic The Arbiter of Taste Caviar Kid

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    You're not. The players that think you are don't understand math. That said, there are still plenty of players that think you are hurting your chances, including members of this Board. My advice is ignore them. If you cannot, then you will run into some distress at the tables. But I say be confident and ignore them
     
  6. Coyot247

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    I play BJ quite a bit in a vegas. When someone does make a play that doesn't follow basic strategy and the table ends up winning as long as the table is relaxed I always point out that we won because of the "incorrect" way. I try to remind those grumps that point out every "wrong" play that sometimes it works out when a player doesn't follow BS. It's your money do what you want with it! :)
     
  7. klawrey

    klawrey High-Roller

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    Yup, everyone here has got it pretty spot on. You don't have to play the correct way, that is your choice and it's no one's right to tell you how to lose your money the same as they can't tell you to not to play slots with their high house edge. Also, your play has no effect on the edge over the long run. It may change the out come of a particular hand but it is just as likely to help as it is too harm the table. With that said, sticking to basic strategy and not varying based on a whim will help you minimize house edge and keep it as low as possible and making blackjack one of the better house edges in the casino.

    I stick to strategy to the letter but I don't mind if someone else doesn't want to although I do prefer they at least stay consistent. If you are going to stay on 16 against a 10 then I'd prefer you stay on 16 against 10 every time. The "hunches" that so many people rely on are not going to help in the long run so that's why I like them to at least be consistent. If there is inconsistency, I won't harp on you or call you out, I'll simply pick up my chips and find a new table often without even coloring up just to get out fast.
     
  8. merlin

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    The bottom line is that even if you play correctly some people will still bitch, especially so on marginal "correct" plays that alot of people dont do(such as hitting 12 against a 2, or doubling soft 18). Now as to your question, over the long run other players bad play doesn't effect anything, it should and will even out, sometimes helping, sometimes hurting, but in the short term, on that particular hand where you do something stupid and cause the dealer to win, a whole lot of players will hold you responsible for screwing up what would have happened(and on that hand you did), and they will get really mad if they have a big bet, or double down, and you are playing table min.

    Very few players play perfect basic strategy, and it's very, very rare to have a whole table of people who do, so if you're the type who gets upset by bad play, you'll be pissed off all day long. Now you say you know basic strategy, so I assume your deviations are relatively infrequent and minor, as opposed to really dumb things like doubling on 7, hitting 17 or 18, splitting tens.

    It's your money and your cards, play as you wish, if someone is rude or insulting most likely they will either leave or you wiull, I wouldn't let it worry you.
     
  9. Brewfangrb

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    Your play doesn't affect anyone else in the long-term. Just to reiterate what others have said, on any given hand, your "wrong" play could cost another player a win (or the table a win)...but there are just as many "wrong" plays that could give the table a win.

    The only thing I would say...and I only say this with the practical brain of mine that trusts the math...the game is based on math, so I don't do hunches or whims. Playing strategy minimizes your losses over the long term. That's all I can say about that. But it's your money and you should feel free to play in whatever way you like or makes you happy. I will never criticize a player for it.

    A complete aside (and nothing to do with the OP): While I won't criticize another player's play, I won't abide being criticized for making the CORRECT strategy play just because someone else literally doesn't know the best play.
     
  10. bardolator

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    It's nearly impossible to stay quiet when some loudmouth criticizes a correct play. I used to say, "Are you aware that hitting soft 18 against a ten is the mathematically correct play?" But in today's climate, next time it happens I'm thinking of saying, "GOOGLE IT!"

    Like everybody said, it's your money. No complaints from me if you stand on four or hit 20.
     
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    Play as you wish...........don't let others intimidate you!
     
  12. Kickin

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    Nothing against you, but I've never understood this. I've heard it a million times at the tables too. Sometimes by the person playing incorrect strategy or by someone else commenting on their play that its ok as long as its consistent. Why is being consistently wrong better than just being wrong inconsistently by playing hunches? I don't get why the consistency makes it any more or less tolerable. I've been at tables where as soon as I sit down someone will tell me, "Just so you know I never hit 16, I know its not the right strategy but I'm consistent about it". I just nod my head and say cool, cool. But I have no idea why they think the consistent part makes it better.
     
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    Improper strategy only hurts the player the player implementing it. Your good or bad moves don't effect others odds in the long run. I suggest you begin to look at basic strategy because it's for your own benefit. But don't let others bully you when you make your plays right or wrong. Ignore the idiots at the table.
     
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    My thoughts exactly. I have heard this a million times also and it makes no sense. Consistency by other players has no discernible impact on the HA on my hand. Moreover, I never really understand why other players are even that focused on what their table mates do. I always observe what the other players do, but almost never even stop to think about whether its consistent or even the right play. I guess I am more concerned with my hand. I know, crazy! :goofy:
     
  15. klawrey

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    In short, I may need to adjust my strategy accordingly for that session. Example, if I know the count is low and the player to my left never hits 16 then I know the dealers chances of busting are decreased even more but statistically if the player to the left would hit as basic strategy suggests they would most often take a low card from the dealer relatively increasing the count by 1. With a wild gunner at the table it is hard or impossible to gauge that.

    As I said I won't have any words for them it's their money and they can lose it how they see fit. I will just take mine elsewhere as its just a rarely big peeve to have that inconsistency in play. If you're going to go against statistics don't do it on a whim or a hunch just admit you don't have the guts to hit the 16 against a 10 and stick with that.

    And that's not even to get me started on the karma tangent of playing on hunches and whims. I beleive in karma and order at the table because I've seen a lot more successful tables that include 5-6 basic strategy players then ones with 5 whim chasers and 1 basic strategy guy. I get these notions are a little off but no different than the person that doesn't want to follow the proven stats of basic strategy.
     
  16. LoveDowntownVegas

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    Agree with everyone here. It's your money. gamble it the way you want.
    with that said, if I don't like the way a person is playing, I get up and leave that table. There's probably another table within walking distance of me.
    however, its typically NOT the play they bothers me, it's the person. I guess there have been times where I would leave a table based on play, but that's probably because I was disgruntled for some reason.
    typically it's because some jackhole is telling others how to play as they continue to make terrible decisions of their own. that's just bad juju. I'm there to have fun.

    two weeks ago I was at a table with a guy betting 3 hands for 200 each. when he sat down he said "I love to gamble, just letting you know I'm going to get crazy."
    over the next hour, he doubled on hard 12, 13, 14 AND 15 repeatedly, no matter what the dealer was showing.
    He lost his arse, and I stayed at that table because it was very entertaining to watch all this happen!
     
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    Also I will add -
    if you ever feel intimidated at a table (i.e. if someone is telling you how to play your cards or berating you) - do not engage them. simply call the floor, explain to the floor that you do not want to be told how to play your cards or your money by person X, and the floor will typically tell them to STFU.
     
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    Players who don't hit 16 ( or play no-bust much of the time, as some do) assist counters occasionally. The cards they don't take remain to be dealt and could result in an extra hand from a good deck. The upside from that is greater than the corresponding downside from an extra hand played at the minimum wager when the count is bad.
     
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    The people who will bitch at you are probably lonely miserable people anyway! :poke:

    Just do what you want. I found that the surly people usually make a smart ass comment and get up and leave. It is your $, do what you want with it.
     
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    If you don't like money

    you're free to play however you like.
     
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