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Who else has incredibly rotten luck?

Discussion in 'Non-Vegas Chat' started by Drambler, Jul 31, 2015.

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  1. broncofn

    broncofn VIP Whale

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  2. MikeOPensacola

    MikeOPensacola El Jefe

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    One thing that has served me well is the hit and run strategy. I'll gladly walk with a lot of small wins, they add up surprisingly well. The only problem with this is it definitely does not help in getting comps, but I don't play for comps anyway.

    The other thing I do is I will ride a winning streak at BJ until things go a little south. I'll raise my bets, never risking more than I've won the last few hands and this has served me well. Once the tide turns Then I'll color up.

    The thing that usually really dampens a BJ session is the lost opportunities for me on doubles and splits. Double on an 11 and draw an A, etc. etc. etc. When this happens I won't chase; I'll leave with as much of my session BR as I can and chalk it up to the law of averages.

    I'm hardly ever at a BJ table for more than 45 minutes, unless the cards are really in my favor. I'm a low to medium roller and will gladly walk with a gain of a couple hundred dollars.
     
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  3. 21wins

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    Anybody that tells you they win all the time is lying or has selective memory.

    I learned a while ago that the best (and worst) thing about Vegas is that the tables are always open. No need to continuously play when the cards or dice aren't going my way.


    I tend to play several times a day for 30-45 minutes. Pocketing small wins and leaving when my buy-in is half gone. But some times I stay and win more or stay and get beat.

    I always rationalize that anything I am going to win or lose isn't going to change my life.


    There have been plenty of times I lose my buy in, But at that point I don't reach for more money. I go watch a game in the book or do something else before I return, There is always something to do in Vegas.
     
  4. Packer

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    Just came across this thread and saw I was mentioned by FXT. You are right FXT, I have had a great run over the last 4+ years. That is, I have had a winning record each year. This year I am 4-2-0 however as far as cash in my pocket for this year I'm up a little. (That's all relative) if I include comps im up 10s of 1000s this year alone.
    My trip before last, losing 18k hurt. The trip last month I was down 15k and had a last minute very late night run at baccarat. That was the night before I left and left up almost 15ish.
    I have mentioned many times here that I attribute this hot streak to good old pure luck, good variance, disciplined play, structured play, lowest HE play, max one hour sessions (usually 45 min), don't play every roll, never chase but willing to lose my BR and only play one one way on Craps. The last couple trips I lost at craps early the first day and against my disciplined play I sat and played bj and bacc. I happened to win but again pure luck. Oh, and lots of praying. Lol.
    On another note, shifter, topcard and a couple others mentioned in this thread live TR's that people post "a person gets killed on a trip- unless it's a "live tr", it's not too likely they'll take the time to come here after the fact and post about ass whoopings they just suffered" NOT true for me.
    Im not vein enough to think that's directed at me. I do want to say I post these tr's so you all can live vicariously through me as I'm blessed to be able to travel to vegas 10 times a year. My tr's aren't all about gambling, winning and losing. There is sooo much more about Lost Wages as proven by tanner 5586 in his current awesome TR.. I give you the whole story/experience. Golf, food, hoover dam, room accommodations, jaunts through the mall, visiting other hotels or whatever. I have no reason to omit losses. I guess I'm not as cynical as some of you and I believe what others are posting as I have no reason to not believe them. (Unless they say they split 7 4s with no pictures of course. )
    There happens to be a few of us that are on a remarkable roll. Like Broncofn! He has had an amazing almost 2 years. I know for a fact it's true as I have been with him and saw it with my own eyes! Pure luck and yes broncofn you obviously know how and what to play but really pure luck and positive variance. His Atlantis trip was unbelievable! But again, I set him up there and my host told me they got killed by him. That's a good thing. (Sorry for speaking for you bronco)
    I would like to believe 99% of the TR's are true and straight forward. For those 1%ers, we all know when someone might be stretching the truth and sometimes we call them on it but it is what it is and if someone has a need to lie on a TR so be it. Whatever's. If you need to lie then please, just don't post.
    All I know is I wish all of you great luck and hope you take vegas down (gaming) or at least break even after expenses. I also wish more luck to broncofn and myself as I know for a fact it will turn. For me, I feel it already has and I'm starting to play scared. But I will always give it my best and try to come out a gambling winner.
     
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  5. topcard

    topcard Here's to $10 3:2 two-deck, $5 Craps, and $5 UTH!

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    Packer... can't speak for others (but I probably am!) - in that all I was referring to is the 'after-the-trip' posting of TRs... people are far less likely to post a TR at all if they got their ass handed to them.
    I don't think people are lying here in their TRs. Why would they?
    The observation that a (disproportionately?) large number of TRs reflect winning trips is probably accurate....that doesn't mean they're lying - it just means that they don't post about their losing trips as readily.

    That said, all of your observations about your own TRs are spot on! I think that's why so many of us enjoy them.
    Even when you lose, your trips are brimming with the "excesses" that many of us can only dream about...same thing with nate, shifter, PPhold or with bronco... and, (for different reasons!), PayTriple! :wink2:
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  6. Jordan

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    I'm a positive guy, but have yet been able to book a winning trip to Vegas in the past 2 years, I've been close a few times, but extended the stay by a day or two and ended up getting reamed out those "extra days". I try to report as accurately as I can but I try not to put a damper on the trip with all the loosing so I usually just summarize as I go if I'm down a shit-ton....

    Hopefully next week I will have to struggle with how can I post all of these massive hand pays and winning craps sessions...Wish me luck!
     
  7. Funkhouser

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    Right, who wants to post a losing trip. I have a couple that still sting pretty bad where I gave up a huge chunk of my bankroll in the first 24 hours. It takes an incredible amount of discipline to win big early and hang it up. Also I think these guys who have 'big wins' are willing to run the risk of ruin by going big after being down. That also takes an incredible amount of balls to risk higher stakes after taking an ass whooping.

    Guys like BeeeJay make it look easy. I have been fortunate to be on the positive side of variance this year, with around 14K in W-2Gs. So much so I am worried about tracking my losses closely. But along with winning big, you get tainted into thinking the wins will keep coming. That's why I am coming around to the idea of turning cash from my wins into physical items and maintain my bankroll at usual levels rather than rolling into a future gaming trip bankroll.
     
  8. mwig

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    Regarding the primarily positive trip reports, I think the answer is very simple. It's fun to share when you are having a good time. I think the live reports that die mid stream are probably indicative of a trip headed in the wrong direction. Not always true. Sometimes it can feel like a chore finding a data signal.

    I've been going to Vegas for over 10 years with multiple trips per year. I am a lifetime winner. How? I relentlessly chase coupons and promos and low roll at a high volume. If I removed all the free play, match plays, etc. I would be down over the years. As it is, my lifetime win is just south of $3,000 (most of that from my most recent trip and not including comps) but I've gotten a lot of free vacations and I love the promo chasing.

    I've hit a lot of royals on VP because I play about 8,000 hands per day. I honestly don't believe in luck. It's all about the math.
     
  9. Packer

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    Yes I agree and TY.. I think there is a little bit of embellishing going on in some TR's but that's ok. Posting your gambling figures whether you won or lost are beneficial to others on this site. Knowing averages, theo, time, win-loss and so on are a big help in regards to comps, rebates and other factors about gaming in Vegas. So, I say win or lose put your true figures as part of you TR. That being said, the gambling is only a small part of the whole experience of Las Vegas. As you know the real fun part of Las Vegas are the shows, dinners, golf, the dam, red rocks, Mt Charleston, hotels, ghost towns, downtown and much more. That's why I try to take you along every step of the way through my trip which most of us do. There are a couple hard acts to follow on this site but we do what we can and every TR in there own way are incredible!
     
  10. broncofn

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    If anyone deserves a winning trip, it's you. Good luck!
     
  11. Bommen

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    Its pretty simple way to find out if you are running bad or not, just ask a pit boss for your Theo. If you won or your loss been less then your Theo you had a lucky trip, if its greater then your Theo you been unlucky. This is true assuming the pit boss gave you a correct Theo.
     
  12. Funkhouser

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    Wow! How many hands per hour are you putting in to get that level of play. At best I can do 300 hands per hour, which means I'd gamble 24 hours a day and still not hit your level of hands.
     
  13. mwig

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    On my practice software I avg above 750 per hour. In real life probably closer to 650. If I play JOB or BP on a fast machine I'll get in a zone where I whip through hands at a ridiculous pace. My wife plays faster than avg and I usually come close to double her points.
     
  14. NYNYGirl

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    Haven't won the lottery yet...:rolleyes2:
     
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    It's amazing how wild variance can get. I have heard of professional card counters who, after many years of profitability (proving competence), have suffered 6-12 month losing streaks representing 500-1500 hours of play. And this is while playing with an advantage (albeit slim) over the house. If they can be losing after 1000 hours of playing with an advantage, it's not surprising that some among us have had losing streaks longer than that while playing at a disadvantage larger than the card counter's advantage.
     
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    Not to brag, but I've got you all beat! Without getting into the details, Ms. Gecko arrived home after a week visiting friends and family in Indiana and promptly announced she won't be going on our upcoming trip! Then to top things off, she said she wants me out of here! (Hey, it's her house.) What the heck, we've only been together 15 years.

    I could still go to Vegas and probably get free rooms to make up for the two in her name, but anyone in my current mindset probably shouldn't even think of going to a casino. I have until the middle of next week to cancel, not to mention taking a big hit on airfare. None of this bodes well for the annual Halloween and mid-December trips, but they're not big concerns at the moment.

    Okay, somebody beat that for incredibly rotten luck! Sorry, this post is somewhat off topic, but it sure fits the thread's title. :cry:
     
  17. Jordan

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    Thanks fella...I appreciate the well wishes...

    I'll get it one of these trips, I'm sure....hopefully next week ;)
     
  18. tringlomane

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    I agree. And the ones written after the fact are definitely biased in the winning direction. People want to write about winning trips, and people want to read about winning trips.

    When you run hot, I agree. For your sake, I'm glad you don't have my luck.
     
  19. Funkhouser

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    Some people might view your situation as positive variance (depending on the relationship) to have someone end a relationship. Sorry if its not what you want though.
    My ex wife was a ball buster, and a year of marriage counseling just pointed out the obvious, which was we were not compatible for each other. In my case I wasted 6 years in a bad relationship, only to find out
    a year later how good things can be with someone else.

    My advice would be go to Vegas, unless its not financial prudent. Some of my best trips have been solo ones. As to the relationship ending, you would be surprised how many great people are out there in the world. Best of luck to you.
     
  20. bobby jones

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    I'm a glass half full kinda guy. One door closes and many open. Many on here would consider this the luckiest day of your life even if you don't see it that way at this hour. Like others, I have been there, done that and bought the tee shirt with what was left over from professional fees:)

    Go to vegas, chill, party, do whatever. If your bank is a concern just look at cheaper entertainment options. If it is not, then have fun and remember you now have options with other forms of entertainment, a day ago you didn't have:)

     
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