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Video Poker What's your worst VP mistake?

Discussion in 'Video Poker' started by sindustry, Nov 21, 2015.

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  1. sindustry

    sindustry VIP Whale

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    Here's mine...

    I had just gotten a handpay from a STP machine, playing 5-play $1 DDB. On the way out, I spot a Super Triple Play machine. Since others on this forum seem to do well on this game, I decided to try it out. I set it to super triple play $1 Super DDB. A few hand in, I get this...

    https://vimeo.com/146527879

    Notice my mistake?
     
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  2. adbynot

    adbynot High-Roller

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    Im not familiar with the game, but love how you are ho-hum for the $4800...
     
  3. dvandentop

    dvandentop VIP Whale

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    Shiiit woulda been $9600 if held all eeekk

    I never play vp since I am usually drinking and would make bad calls all the time.
     
  4. tringlomane

    tringlomane STP Addicted Beer Snob

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    I gotta give you credit for posting the video up here. Sucks you couldn't pull any of them back. :(

    And if anyone does something like this in the future and realize it soon afterward, please ask for a review. They may give a dealt winner back to you. In the worst case scenario, you wasted 10 minutes of time.

    How long did it take you to realize sin? In the video, I don't think anyone noticed. :(
     
  5. sindustry

    sindustry VIP Whale

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    Tring...thanks for correcting the game description for me.

    I noticed it after I left the casino, while watching the video. I noticed that extra payout for the aces with high kicker, which is not available in STP. Then, I was like, wait...I had a high kicker...doh!

    I make a lot of careless mistakes in VP, which Chow has seen first hand, but this was complete stupidity on my part for not looking at the pay table and getting familiar with it, prior to playing it.
     
  6. dvandentop

    dvandentop VIP Whale

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    I have heard of then doing that for bigger players who mess up. Which sin is. It Would be awesome if that happened to get it changed.
     
  7. sindustry

    sindustry VIP Whale

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    Lol...people ask me that all the time..."how come you aren't jumping up and down and screaming?" I always say, unless I am with friends, I don't want the added attention...especially since I mostly go to the locals alone and at night. Make no mistake...I am very excited and happy, on the inside.
     
  8. sindustry

    sindustry VIP Whale

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    For that particular casino, my play was probably on the high side. For some of the other locals, I'm just an inconspicuous seashell on the beach. I will reach out to the casino tomorrow and see if there is anything they can do. Hell, I would even take $4800 in free play...lol.
     
  9. Royal Flusher

    Royal Flusher Savvy Gambler

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    Ouch. Pretty ballsy to post this, good on ya. I hope you can get something back on it.

    My worst VP mistake - I think I blew a Royal once. This was maybe 15 years ago, playing quarters, Caesars Palace, Deuces Wild. Held three to a Royal, just as I hit Draw I think I noticed I actually had four to a royal, and the fifth card popped up - along with a five or some shit. I felt sick. I wasn't 100% sure but I remember that lesson to this day and check more carefully.
     
  10. Joe

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    I'm not familiar with the game, but Aces with a face pays a bonus, higher than a low card kicker?
     
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    First, congrats on the win! Wish it had worked out for the bigger win...

    A question, since I'm still pretty new to VP, when you said above, "the Aces with high kicker is not available in STP" - does that mean one shouldn't hold the queen with four aces? Or does that vary between games? Was that STP that you were playing on the win?

    Thanks, and wishing you many even bigger wins.
     
  12. Flowers

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    Wow. I am not familiar with this game either with a bonus for a high card. Thank you for posting because it is a learning experience for us all.

    At first I was thinking the machine should have locked up with that win -- the four aces with the high card -- though a hard core gambler might have thrown away the Qs anyway to aim for a low kicker. In retrospect, I would have kept the Qs but what actually would have been the proper play? Doing as you did to try and get a low kicker (and an even higher amount, I think?, hard to see pay table) or keep the Qs for more than $4800 but less than what would have been had if you had drawn a low kicker?
     
  13. NickPapageorgio

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    Sindustry discarded a face card kicker, which in this particular game was a premium kicker. The thought was to discard the face and draw a 2,3 or 4, traditional premium kickers. In DDB, TDB etc this would have been the proper play.

    Nick:beer:
     
  14. tringlomane

    tringlomane STP Addicted Beer Snob

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    In the particular game variant he was playing, yes it did. It wasn't worth as much as Aces w/234, but holding Aces with a Face was correct since it was worth double vs. Aces without a Kicker.

    It's not a very common variant, but it's called Super DDB. All DDB payouts are in play PLUS Aces with a Face and Faces with an Ace or Face pay extra. Full Pay in this game is 8/5 (99.69%) and the lowest available paytable is 6/5 (97.69%), so I'm pretty quick to point out that CET offers it for quarters as it's one of their best games.

    Sin was also playing Super Triple Play, which roughly doubles quad payouts for betting a 6th credit per line.
     
  15. Flowers

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    I didn't know that Tring re: this game in quarters at CET. Thanks.
     
  16. Dean Martin

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    Wow....great thread. I've played a lot of VP but not STP....Is this the Aces and Faces game? That I have seen.
     
  17. callmegeorge

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    Hi Tring -Is there a specific strategy for Super DDB? On WoO, I only see paytables when I click on it. Thanks.
     
  18. tringlomane

    tringlomane STP Addicted Beer Snob

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    Yep. Near the best paying single line game at most CET strip places for quarters, other than those reduced points games at Cromwell of course. Bally's even had it for 10 nickel max bet machines against the wall along the wheelchair ramp. Some CET places also had 7/5 Super DDB (98.61%) on some banks where the denominations started at $1 (e.g. a $1, $2, $5 machine) at least as of this spring, which makes them one of the better CET dollar games on the strip. Couple examples of location was a game king bank near the north elevator of PHo. Also a circular bank of $1,$2, $5 machines near Mesa Grill at CP, but only half of that carousel had that when I looked.

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    Unfortunately abbreviations suck here. STP usually refers to "Super Times Pay", which you pay an extra credit for a randomly awarded multiplier (not the game he played). The accepted abbreviation for "Super Triple Play" (the game he played) is S3P. In Super Triple Pay (S3P), one pays an extra credit two mostly double quad and straight flush values.

    Within this bonus pay framework, he was playing "Super DDB" which is a variant that has the standard DDB payouts PLUS an increased payout for Aces with a Face kicker or 4 Faces with an Ace or Face kicker. This isn't to be confused with "Aces and Faces", "Double Aces and Faces", or "Double Double Aces and Faces". These three games are exactly like Bonus, Double Bonus, and Double Double Bonus, respectively, except the 4 2s-4s payouts are substituted with 4 Ks-Js payouts. In the case of Double Double, the kickers are also substituted from A-4 to A-J. This helps the player since sometimes you make quads from holding a single high card. 9/6 Double Double Aces and Faces is 99.44% vs. 9/6 DDB which is 98.98%.

    Fail Pic of 9/6 Double Double Aces and Faces at Gold Coast:
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    Big Success at 7/5 Super DDB w/prog. at Resorts Tunica:
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    YES!

    There are some key changes depending on the game/paytable you're playing. The most noticable of which is if you have 3 face cards with a kicker, you should also hold the kicker due to the vast difference in payouts. And you should even hold that over a full house if it's 6/5.

    Here are the full strategies for the game by paytable:

    8/5 (99.69%): http://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/strategy/a-1-b-111-c-1-d-0-d-1-d-1-d-3-d-4-d-5-d-8-d-50-d-80-d-160-d-160-d-160-d-320-d-400-d-50-d-800/

    7/5 (98.61%): http://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/strategy/a-1-b-111-c-1-d-0-d-1-d-1-d-3-d-4-d-5-d-7-d-50-d-80-d-160-d-160-d-160-d-320-d-400-d-50-d-800/

    6/5 (97.69%): http://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/strategy/a-1-b-111-c-1-d-0-d-1-d-1-d-3-d-4-d-5-d-6-d-50-d-80-d-160-d-160-d-160-d-320-d-400-d-50-d-800/

    And if you play "Super Triple Play" like sin did, where you pay an extra credit to make most quad payouts double, and a bonus for straight flushes, the strategies are as follows:

    8/5 (99.80%): http://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/strategy/a-1-b-111-c-1-d-0-d-1-d-1-d-3-d-4-d-5-d-8-d-80-d-160-d-320-d-320-d-320-d-640-d-800-d-120-d-800/

    7/5 (99.06%): http://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/strategy/a-1-b-111-c-1-d-0-d-1-d-1-d-3-d-4-d-5-d-7-d-80-d-160-d-320-d-320-d-320-d-640-d-800-d-120-d-800/

    6/5 (98.34%): http://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/strategy/a-1-b-111-c-1-d-0-d-1-d-1-d-3-d-4-d-5-d-6-d-80-d-160-d-320-d-320-d-320-d-640-d-800-d-120-d-800/

    Note that with the 8/5 or 7/5 paytable, you break all high two pair and low (2-4s) and high (K-Js) full houses for a chance at quads because quads are really inflated. At the 6/5 paytable, you break ALL full houses since they pay at least 400 credits for quads.

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    And sorry I really hijacked here sin, but you know how I love to answer questions. I'm pretty sure I held 45789 on accident at some point in the last year or so while drunk (either 4578 or 5789 would have been optimal)... But I don't think I took a pic. :wink2:

    I also meant to answer all these questions earlier...but, I was itching to go to River City casino today after we passed on going last night. Glad I delayed because timing was just right, worked out better for my g/f, but we were net ahead thanks to her hit! And Dean, this is a shot of a 6/5 Bonus Super Times Pay (STP) game (97.14%). :thumbsup:

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    Odd Fact (home state of Missouri): My Royal Flushes: 2 in Tunica, 2 in Vegas, 1 in Indiana (2 this year :thumbsup:). g/f Royal Flushes: 2 in Missouri (both this year :thumbsup:). Ex-Fiancee: 1 in Missouri (only quarter Royal among all 3 of us)...:grrr:

    I guess it really shows I want to save my gambling for Vegas or Tunica where the drinks are free! :thumbsup:
     
  19. macker69

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    I've had buttons "stick" when I'm drunk on a pair and only one, only to see the other 2 for quads. In both cases I pressed call attendant button and slot managers have paid the quad. I was drunk with my dad at the sea whores bar at Caesars when I was dealt a pair of 4s, accidentally held one and 4 aces popped up for 2000 credits!!!
     
  20. tringlomane

    tringlomane STP Addicted Beer Snob

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    Yeah, this anecdote is exactly why it's worth asking when you notice the mistake.

    However, if they always give that scenario as a quad, that favors the player. It's much easier drawing the last two Aces drawing four instead of three. But since it's "sticky button" that shouldn't ideally exist slash slot managers suck at math, it's definitely worth asking if you notice the mishold thanks to brain fart/sticky button error. The worse they can do is say..."fuck off".
     
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