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What do dealers make?

Discussion in 'Misc. Vegas Chat' started by bobby jones, Oct 27, 2014.

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  1. bobby jones

    bobby jones Low-Roller

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    I often wonder about what a dealer makes in tips per hour over all from a table. I realize tips are pooled but, generally when I play BJ at a $10/$15 table there are at least three or four players and we are almost always betting $1 for the dealer say every 10 hands at a minimum. So that's $4/ every ten hands. Say we sit for only an hour, the dealer is dealing say 30 hands per hour or one every two minutes sometimes faster and sometimes slower. That works out to $12 per hour on top of their wage by my math. I realize tables are empty at times but also full at other times. I realize you have dealer changes eating up time as well. Does this sound close for a low limit table?

    Another thing I have always been curious about. the claims are that dealers base is minimum. Is that the case whether you are dealing at Excalibur or say a low end off strip vs Bellegio or do the Bellagio or any other higher end casino dealers get more?
     
  2. Auggie

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    You can't really think about it on an individual, what you are doing for the dealer's bottom line, because of the tip pooling: they have to pool tips with everybody, like even though all the tables might be busy from 7pm to midnight, they still have to share will the dealers working the 4am to 8am shift where there are a few tables open and hardly anybody playing and the morning shifts where there are tables only and only a few people playing.

    Also at the same time its what others are doing at other tables - your group might be tipping $4 every ten hands, but I've sat at tables that are full and hardly anybody is tipping and then there are the high limit tables to consider where there might just be one guy playing and he is on a hot streak and tipping $100+ every few hands and thats pretty much making your tips, which are generally pretty good, look like a pittance.
     
  3. shifter

    shifter Degenerate Gambler

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    then you divide that by the 40 or so people working that section that day - all 3 shifts. they split it among everyone. and now it's not so much.

    I've asked them about this because many times on a good run I'll tip 4-5k in a single session, sometimes much more in a trip. but when you divide that out into everyone who gets a slice of the pie, it's not life-changing money.

    one time some guys I knew tipped about 100k over an epic run. they were table max 20k and trying to bet 10k for the dealers, but the max dealer bet is 25% of table max, so they capped them at 5k. now even 100k is still not life-changing for any one dealer, but is definitely a nice bonus and every dealer that dealt that day treats them like gods when they come back.
     
  4. Hobofrank

    Hobofrank Prime Minister of Idiocracy

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    last trip to Cosmo I sat with a DDBJ dealer and asked her to break it down for me, she said that tip pooling is so variable that she couldn't say

    but her working 4 shifts/wk put her in the mid $60K range per year and that full time dealers were averaging ~$87K/yr
     
  5. BeeeJay

    BeeeJay President of The Red Lobster Hostess Satisfaction

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    60k-80k+ jives with what dealers have told me....not horrible money, but man the working conditions have to get brutally boring after a while
     
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    hornhiyo Low-Roller

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    I really wish they had a better system than tip pooling. I'd prefer some kind of way to track a specific dealer tips. There could be a base pooling and then a "bonus pool" based on what a dealer earns in tips, in relation to their shift time, table limit and game etc.

    I generally make a BJ bet for good dealers about 33-50% of the time and 2 ways bets for good craps crews at a slightly higher rate. This grows if i'm winning. It bugs me when I know that sour faced BJ dealer who looks smug when i'm losing and annoyed when i'm winning, is getting the same piece of the action as the dealer who is adding to my gambling experience.
     
  7. pressitagain

    pressitagain Low-Roller

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    I actually asked the dealers at MB, last time that I was there.

    Wages within the MGM are tier based. MB was the median where they make 50+.

    At the low end was Circus Circus. Dealers were at a shocking....25+.

    They also said that the highest paid are at Wynn. Making over 100+.
     
  8. 1LuckyMomma

    1LuckyMomma Low-Roller

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    Me too!
     
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    Back during the Becky Behnion era and she was running Binion's into the ground, there was a time period (maybe about a year), that she changed the policy of dealer's tips to where they each kept their own tips. I think it had something to do with she wasn't paying any health benefits for employees and was trying to compensate them with this new policy. Most of the dealers I talked with during this time loved keeping their own tips. It was interesting to see dealers with no personality all of a sudden develop personalities. I think this went on for only about one year. Of course, when the dealers had to start splitting tips again, the dealers that had found a personality, lost it again.
     
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    That situation caused some uncomfortable situations at the craps table there.
    The stick person kept the tips and even if you bet for the dealers 2 minutes ago the new stick would start trying to hustle tips when the crew changed.
     
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    One of my local casinos, Pechanga, is one of the few where dealers keep their own tokes.

    I had asked a couple dealers, from Mirage and Bellagio, last year, about if they prefer sharing tokes or keeping their own. Both said they prefer to share. When it is slow in Vegas, tons of dealers are just standing there twiddling their thumbs earning zero tokes at their table. Toke sharing helps to average out the dead tables.

    Personally, I wish great dealers could keep more of the tokes I give. The great thing about playing at my local casino is I can search out my favorite dealers and know I am going to have a good time gambling, whether I win or lose...and I know my tokes are going to the dealers I like.
     
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