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WAX and the Deuce

Discussion in 'Getting There & Getting Around' started by Mamabear0222, Apr 7, 2014.

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  1. Mamabear0222

    Mamabear0222 Tourist

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    If we take the WAX to the hotel, should I just be paying the $2?
    Or can/should we buy the Deuce pass at this point? Or is that a separate purchase?

    (we plan on using the deuce throughout our stay)

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    If you purchase a 24 hour pass when taking the WAX, it starts when you validate it in the bus and is good for the 24 hours (or, 3 Days or, whatever you buy.) Dewey generally buys the 2 hour pass (2.00 reg fee or 1.00 for us elders) and goes to the transfer station to buy his 15 day pass. I generally buy a pass before I leave for home to use on the next trip and just validate it when I board the first bus.
    Now, be aware that there are residential passes for LV residents which are cheaper, and all access passes which enable you to ride the residential as well as Strip buses. Much has been written about this in past threads in detail so I don't want to repeat it here but I suggest you search for the threads.
    I buy an all access fare to cover my entire vacation so it covers both the Strip buses but residential as well, though a WAX bus driiver told me that it could be used on all buses and and that my reduced fare card is identical to a local resident, and not to worry. I have never had a problem or been sked for my reduced fare card.

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    I paid the $2 for the WAX, actually the CX came first but that doesn't matter, on Saturday. On Sunday I purchased the 15 day $32 card at Walgreens and have been using it for the SDX. I used it round trip on Dunday and two round trips today.

    I have yet to swipe that card. All they do is check that people have a card sometimes.
     
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    What hotel?
    When you arrive at the hotel, how long will it be before you ride the Deuce?
    How long is your stay? Will you return to the airport on WAX?
    Are you old to be carrying a Medicare card?
     
  5. Mamabear0222

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    Hi, We are at the Excalibur .. not sure if we'll be riding the Deuce our arrival night or not.
    We are there Sun-Thurs
    Yes we will return to the airport on the WAX I hope
    My Mom is a senior but I am not, and no medicare cards in Canada.
    Thanks
     
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    I've mentioned this before. We are over 60, but not 65. We flash our Wisconsin driver's license when boarding the WAX and put in a dollar. We don't have a transit ID.

    The drivers have never said anything. We will be riding the WAX a bit this trip and we'll see if it continues. I honestly don't think they look or care. You know the "act like you belong" adage.

    And...what is worst that could happen? We have to pay $2, still a bargain!!:thumbsup:
     
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    Oh I'm not worried about that, I was just wondering if the WAX and the Deuce are interchangeable?
    So if I buy a ticket on the WAX, is it good for the Deuce? or is that a separate thing?
     
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    Dewey is the bus expert, but as far as I know there is no ticket for the WAX. Pay cash on board. The other way around with the Deuce, I have no clue if that works on the WAX.
     
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    Thanks for the help!
     
  10. dewey089

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    So you board the WAX at Terminal 1, ground level zero. Sometimes it is a bit of a wait.
    From the WAX driver you buy a $2 one way ticket. Have your Mom ask about buying a $1 ticket. Have correct change and have her ID out. See if the bus driver will let her on for a dollar which is the senior rate. Explain why you don't have a Medicare card.
    Try Joe's quick flash and go with her ID. That is a great trick. Put Mom in front of the line, she drops a couple half dollars in the mouth of the bucket, says "senior" and flashes the ID.
    And tell us how it worked.
    Get off at NYNY. Don't miss this stop. The next stop is downtown.

    Go to Excalibur and settle in.

    I expect that you will be able to find plenty to do at Excalibur and surroundings that first night.

    If you get bored, there is a free tram (look for signs to it as you enter the Excalibur casino) or ask when you check in) that will take you from Excalibur to Luxor or Mandalay Bay. One was down for servicing a week ago but both are up and running as of today. (I called)
    Or if you walk to Monte Carlo, there is a tram that will take you from Monte Carlo to Bellagio with a stop at Aria. Here is a map of that tram
    http://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/referenceguide-transportationdetail.cfm?transportid=111&map=shuttlemap.cfm?showmap=citycenter.jpg

    Both these are free and run inside the casinos. Both are better than the strip bus for the destinations on the tram because they are uncrowded.

    When you check in the clerk can tell you the tram hours, or direct you to someone who can.

    I'd say that would fill Sunday.

    On Monday in a machine at an SDX stop buy an $8 all access three day pass for $20.
    Study this map. Use a credit card.
    http://www.rtcsnv.com/wp-content/uploads/routes/2013/SDX(07-07-13).pdf
    Print it out and take it along. Great reference.
    Whenever an SDX bus is close enough to your destination to make the walk easy enough, take the SDX and not the Deuce. The Deuce can get so crowded that you can't get on or that you are packed like sardines. It is slower. With you pass, you can get on the SDX an any of the three doors, but it has only a few strip stops. See that map.

    The three days for your pass depends on when you validate that pass, but it will be timed and good for three days from the time you board the Deuce or validate the pass just before boarding the SDX. If you are going to board the Deuce, don't validate. Your swipe will do that and save you a few minutes.

    If you buy it later than you need to board the WAX on Thursday to go back, it will cover all your bus needs for the entire trip.

    If not, it will cost all of you another $2 (Mom perhaps now knows how to pay $1) to get back to the airport.
    Or it will cost you the day rate of $8 if you are doing a lot of bus riding that day up and down the strip before going back to the airport.
    Sorry, on strip passes Mom gets no discount.

    Or, you might like to have a cheap breakfast before you go back. The 201 at the stop where you departed the WAX from the airport goes to the Orleans in just a few minutes. I'm betting Mom will love that casino. The food is basic but good and inexpensive.

    http://www.orleanscasino.com/dine/french-market-buffet

    If you want an early look at this place, go up on Tuesday for the Young at Heart specials
    http://www.orleanscasino.com/promotions/young-at-heart-wednesdays

    At least on Tuesday Mom can get a free buffet for a small amount of play. And for those who want to be really frugal, if everyone plays in turn on Mom's card, that can be earned in no time.
    Anyone over 50 can get a 2 for 1 buffet for no play. I am not sure if both people have to be over 50 or if Mom can do that and get one free when you pay for your buffet.
    So, you don't need a 2 for 1 coupon from some place on that day for a cheap breakfast or lunch.
    Remember if you go on Tuesday to swipe your Player's Card in the kiosk after you have played and before the drawing. That puts in your tickets.

    If you wait to go to the Orleans on Thursday morning and your 3 day pass has run out of time, buy from the driver a $5 residential 24 hour pass (again Mom might be able to negotiate one for $2.50) This will let you take the 201 from NYNY to the Orleans (uncrowded and easy, stops right at the casino) and then take that 201 back (to catch it, cross Tropicana at the light, DON'T JAYWALK) to your hotel and then again on the WAX from next to Tropicana Casino. three rides for $5 (mom perhaps $2.50)


    So there is one possible itinerary for the least expense in bus money.

    If you want to do one more day on strip buses after your 3 day pass runs out , and no one wants to go to the Orleans, it costs $8 for 24 hours on the strip bus; however that pass will also work to get you back to the airport on the WAX.

    On your other issue of not having coupons in the American Casino Guide or LVA, I'd not worry about that. For the short time you are there, you are not going to have long runs to use coupons in the obscure places they mostly work.

    For frugal dining, check the threads on this board that review restaurants in the areas you intend to visit based on what you like to eat. I'd skip both the Excalibur buffet and the Luxor buffet. Go for the lunch prices and eat lighter at dinner.

    And whether Mom is thirsty or not, she has to drink water and drink it often. Remind her every so often. Dehydration is no joke and it comes with no warning. You drink along with her, especially if alcohol sipped in between those drinks of water.

    Finally, WIN!!!!
     
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    Just to clarify.
    The "residential" 24 hour pass is only good on the Deuce or the SDX if you have a local ID.

    The 24 hour pass sold for the Deuce and the SDX is good on all Vegas buses, strip and residential. It is all access.

    Although the WAX is called an express, it is a residential bus and grouped with all the other residential buses, so you can get a 24 hour ticket when you board from the driver good on all "residential routes."
    In my advice here, I'm figuring you are not doing a lot of residential bus riding that first night, and for the next three nights an all access strip pass will get you anywhere on any bus until the time runs out. $20 for 3 days. I"d wait to buy that until the second day to get best value and if it is bought late enough on Monday, it will cover the Thursday ride to the airport as well. The time is figured from validation, so if you bought an $8 strip pass on Monday and boarded the Deuce at 11 Am and then were boarding the WAX on Thursday at 9AM, you would be covered for your rides up and down the strip and for your return ride to the airport on that same 3 day pass.
     
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    Thank you thank you thank you!! :) :nworthy:
     
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    Just to clarify, when you pay cash($2) for a one way ride, you are not buying a ticket, but paying the fare, they dont actually give you anything, you simply pay and go sit down. If I'm wrong I'm sure someone will correct me.
     
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    Right. So if the OP does decide on a one way fare, she just sits down after she pays. That is why her mom and Joe can make that quick senior payment, flash some ID, say "senior" and go right off to a seat, hoping that is enough to get senior status.
    But if someone pays for a 2 hour pass or a 24 hour pass from the driver, they will be issued a ticket for reboarding any residential bus or FOR LOCALS WITH ID any bus in the system.

    Or anyone can purchase a 15 day or 30 day all access ticket with no need for local ID and ride any bus with that ticket, but they can't purchase it at a bus stop machine or from a driver because as convenient as that might be for travelers, it would thwart in part the plan of the bus company to charge tourists more than locals for bus transportation and so cut into their profits.

    And with any ticket in hand the same process is true. You don't get a second ticket, there are no transfer tickets. On the next bus you board, you swipe your 2 hour or 24 hour ticket and sit down.

    The only tickets issued by WAX or other residential drivers are 2 hour tickets or 24 hour tickets.

    Now, perhaps this is a place to ask for some clarification based on something Turtle wrote this week.

    One thing is currently unclear to me. It may be that the 2 hour pass issued on a residential bus is "all access" for us tourists as well. There is an asterisk on the website list of fares that in my reading suggests it is "all access"
    I can't trust the website because it has been wrong in leaving an asterisk off for the 15 day all access to anyone pass. Calling RTC might get three different answers in three calls.
    If anyone is at the BTC and can ask Christine, who knows what she is talking about an has the energy to run down this information, I sure would appreciate it.
    And a half dozen of us getting the same answer reported here and in my bus blog, would be helpful. This is what I did for the 15 day all access questions.

    If the 2 hour pass is now intended to be all access that would free up tourists coming from the airport to pay just $3 for a ride to any strip hotel without worrying about not having a local ID or breaking a technical rule.

    But it needs to be carefully researched, rechecked and reported.

    Many of you have expressed thanks personally and here. I appreciate the kudos, but there are dozens of people who gather this information and report it here on the board and to me personally in PM style. I know some of the buses from personal experience or BTC interviews, but much of it I collect and report with the intent on clearing up the confusing details of the rules. I try to check and recheck details, looking for answers to the confusion that is caused by the intent of the RTC to establish a two tier payment system for buses, one for locals and one for tourists and the confusion caused by continually changing the routes, fares, and rules.
    So, the kudos go to all the folks who supply that information. All of you are experts.

    I'll post this same request as a separate thread to catch the attention of a larger audience.
     
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    Dewey: As always, thanks for delving into the never-ending vagaries of the Vegas bus system. I suspect the only way we'll find out if 2 and 24 hour tickets bought onboard the WAX or other residential buses will work on the Deuce or SDX without a local ID will be when someone's interrogated by the bus police! Even then, the verdict from one "cop" may differ from another's.

    So far I've only used the tickets on residential busses, but would probably try using on the SDX or Deuce if the occasion arose. I wouldn't be so cheap, however, as to buy a ticket onboard, say the WAX, immediately exit the bus, and get onto an SDX! Likewise, hauling luggage isn't usually the mark of a local, but as already mentioned, the drivers couldn't care less. Actually, I haven't yet found out exactly what will suffice for a local ID! I'll look forward to the next exciting chapter.
     
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    You are the next chapter.
    Your note on using the 2 hour pass got me wondering about whether it is intended to be "all access". Thanks. Gives me something to do when I can't sleep.
    Thanks for taking the time to run down and input all the information you gather on buses.

    I was in Clearwater these last few days and we walked out of Frenchie's bar with two free rum runners in nice glasses of glass. We took them out the back door of the crowded bar and across and down the street to our hotel (Frenchie's) room so we would drink them on the terrace and watch pelicans. I felt just like a tourist getting on a strip bus with a 24 hour residential pass.
     
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    I think a local ID can be a student ID or any Gov't issued ID like a Nevada License. HOWEVER, if you are 60 or older, the reduced fare card does not list address and was told by a bus driver that mine was exactly the same as a Reduced Fare Pass for a local elder, FYI.

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