Forgive me if this has already being discussed. We have all read the annual slot payback percentages and understand that they include VP as well. So when slots are listed for say 90% payback, we know that non-vp slots have to be less than stated percentage - by how much, who knows? we are not privy to the breakdown. So, for VP we see paybacks @85% - 100%. My understanding is that these paybacks all include the royal which is hit @ once every 30,000 plays. If we take out the royal from the equation, what is the payback then? Is there somewhere to find this? It almost feels like not gambling when playing a 99% machine but, in reality is the return much lower like 70% or 60% or...when taking out the Royal from the equation? Now that I think about this.... In theory, assuming $1.25 for max play, on a quarter machine and a royal paying $1,000, I guess I should expect to sit there on my last play (#30,000) down $998.75 lifetime on a 100% machine. If this is true, I have played 29,999 hands (perfectly) at $1.25 per and down 998.75/ (29999*1.25) - 2.67% or in payback terms the machine is paying out 97.3% not including the Royal. Is this correct or am I missing something?