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Vegas in 25 years

Discussion in 'Misc. Vegas Chat' started by Publius, Apr 22, 2012.

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  1. Publius

    Publius Low-Roller

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    I was talking with a friend earlier and we were discussing Vegas and what it will be like in 25 years. What do you think it'll be like?

    I can see all the current table games going away and being replaced with those automated machine games. Plus CET will probably just be one resort all merged together with Linq. I can see Vegas slowly dying though with the rise of online gaming and states slowly making it legal. There were other things we talked about but I don't remember it all. I think it'll be interesting to see.

    Also we discussed that the golden days of Vegas were from the late 90's to around 2006-07 (ending when Stardust closed and the implosion and when the Vegas economy began to see the recession)
     
  2. C0usineddie

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    When you cash out, the irs will take their cut of taxes right then. So if you cash out a $100 voucher in the machine, you will get $80 of actual cash. Either this or they will use the $100 to pay down your tax debt.

    Why do you think they want everyone to have a players club card?
     
  3. MangoPort

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    The automated machines will never replace real dealers at most of the big casinos. PokerTek tried to replace dealers in several cities with automated poker machines, but they were a big failure. In Ottawa they were exclusively the automated machines and ended up replacing them because people didn't like them.

    Right now the atmosphere has been geared towards "party people", young folks with money willing to drop several grand for bottle service at a nightclub and yet wants a discount on dinner and doesn't gamble. This will drive down some of the newer gourmet restaurants coming to Vegas for a while, but eventually party city will move on, as it always does.

    This will leave these mega clubs hurting and force Vegas back into offering cheaper nightclubbing experiences, which will draw in a higher ratio of guys to girls, and prostitutes to girls. Expect Vegas to get a little seedier over the next 10 years or so.

    And then of course, it re-zones on a cleaner imagine, brings back the family attractions and we're back in the glory days.
     
  4. MangoPort

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    As an alternative view, Vegas continues it's climb to the top of the "places to go with money" list as the economy rebounds, and it becomes one of the most expensive places in the world. Hotels like Imperial Palace and Harrah's are demolished to make way for other 5-star resorts, and the days of regular joes coming to play the slots slowly fade as ferrari's and lambos fill the streets.
     
  5. Dean Martin

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    I think there are a lot of casino's around the US already and still, we pass on them and go to Vegas...Vegas has an ambiance (and part of that is its histroy) that won't be replicated in my lifetime....which I suppose could be 25 years:confused2:

    I do know that what I'd "like to" see is resorts quit trying to be everything to everybody.

    Possibly they will have nude pools by then.....:wink2:
     
  6. sco5123

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    When Wynn gets tired of high-end/metropolitan hotels, he partially builds the resort of the future. No themes, no modern/metropolitan, but artistic/eccentric (like Cosmo except equally embodying a similar externality vs modern look on outside) super duper mega hotels. Sort of an expansion of the entrances/displays in Wynn (whimsical forest), Bellagio (plated flowers on ceiling) and Mirage (palms oasis) and Cosmo mixed together.

    Party Vegas fizzles out, replaced by cultural vegas (art, history, cultures, foods, theatre, nature), effectively cleaning up the party image and bringing in the "cultured" (melding with their high-endness), hippies, east coasters, elders...and somewhat again, families...except without the family encouragement. Vegas has snippets of "cultural" things everywhere and people outside are not well aware of this. They can offer somethings as good as any city and can cultivate theirs to be the best (fun and whimsical too), much like their party scene now. It's not that parties/clubs will stop but they will take on the new image, much like families did not completely go away--they still find their place in the now. No more "what happens in vegas stays in vegas" but "an experience like no other".

    Soon we will be able to use credit cards directly into the slot machine, or load our players card with money. Cousineddie, don't speak those things! lol
     
  7. LushLife

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    I envision having a players card with money on it, or at least a credit limit on it, much like a card on a cruise ship. Those drinks add up at the end of the week! haha
     
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    In other words Vegas will trun back to what it was in the 50s and 60s and early 70s before the corps took over.
     
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    What some of you are missing is that the basis of economics does not go away even in Vegas. Places like excalibur, IP, harrahs..etc are still there because there is a large market for them. The overwhelming majority of people that go to Vegas are what many of us here call "low rollers". Usually around 300-1000 of gambling money. While I agree that they will at some point be demolished and replaced, it will certainly not be all at once like a lot of people are fearing.

    I'd say in the next 10-20 years, the low roller places will be replaced slowely by larger, nicer hotels, but you have to remember the mid level places like Monte Carlo, Mirage, MGM, and NYNY, will then be considered "old" and "worn" and will take their place.

    As for Vegas' golden days being numbered, I'd say that's inaccurate. Its definitely in the midst of a culture change which is natural, but I wouldnt be surprised if Vegas rebounds better than most cities after the recession. (actually, we are already seeing that it is)
     
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    Monorail goes directly to the airport and long hauling is a thing of the past with certified and drug tested cab drivers being required......oh that's just wishful thinking...because not too much ever gets better for the average Joe Blow.....
     
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    Its always boggled my mind that Vegas doesn't have monorail service from the airport all the way through to Fremont.
     
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    As gaming expands across the US, new players will be more localized and tend to stay "close to home," saving money and adding to their bankroll. The LV player/tourist will be those who've been long time LV visitors, and go back because of aged stubbornness of "that's where real players go," insinuating that the local Harrah's or MGM property is low-ball amateur hour.
    So, they've shift the atmosphere to one of culture and atmosphere, moving away from the party palace and ultra-tourist clientele. The game will become as important as the player, where the casinos will entice higher level and more loyal players with more and better play.
    Essentially, LV will position itself as "the real place to gamble" and where "real gamblers go," trying to entice the local player to come visit "the big city" with more and better options.
    A lot of this is playing out now, but I think the level of it will increase as more and more gaming becomes readily available nationwide and a casino is within a couple hours drive of anywhere.
    You can drink and party anywhere and you'll be able to gamble almost anywhere, so the next logical step is getting those people from there, to here, and the way to achieve that is to position LV as with better rules and better play.
    Compared to today, this sounds crazy, but it will take better rules and looser slots to make people buy a flight and spend all the extra money to do something they can do locally.
    I think gaming will come back to the players, that'll get them away from home
     
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    In 25 years, I'll be that guy who is reminiscing about old Vegas and how I love Aria, Bellagio, Cosmo, Wynncore and PH were in its heyday. I'll be whining about the Newly Built Fontainbleu and Echelon on how its too modern and ruining the feel of the strip. LOL.
     
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    I would love to see this more than anything. Never have been a fan of the whole "sin city" thing. It's not really acurate anyway. When it comes to being a sin city, LV is a lightweight compared to places like New Orleans, NYC, and Houston.
     
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    I think it will be driven to a more high end type of destination. You look at all the new hotels...All 5 star joints. When they tear down the likes of IP, Harrahs, Trop, they will replace them with more 5 star joints. Eventually this will out price the low roller and leave people saying " Vegas is where rich people go to blow their money." Even when some of the 3-4 star hotels are still standing, they will have a high price tag because of the scarcity of their "cheap rooms."

    What I do wonder, is if MB and Wynn will be considered the ends of the strip? Or will the strip get longer...or even wider?
     
  16. jack1057

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    I think the day is coming soon when you will be required to use a Players card on all games and you will get a W2G at the end of the year from each location you have played with your total wins. If the total is over the 1200.00 threshold, you will be liable for taxes.
     
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    Player comps will be awarded only through a host. And you won't get a host assigned to you without a minimum $100+ a hand, average. Free drinks in the casino will be a thing of the past, Everyone will pay as they go and only be re-embursed at check out, again if your host see's fit. There will be more add-ons to your bill to help generate more revenue. If downtown survives, it will be the only low roller area open to the average tourist. Even then, $15 tables we be their starting point. A rush to build new properties like in the past, won't be the norm in Las Vegas ever again. The lenders and the bean counters will see to that. The Boyd Family will be long gone along with their plans to build on the former Stardust site. Some one else will have to step in. Wynn and Adelson will both be in Macu along with their company headquarters and will run their operations here through the US branch offices. Figure on seeing Macu and Dubois being the number one and number two gaming destinations of the world, with Las Vegas a distant third. Because of this, LasVegas will need to pull more of it's income from the US market and will loose some of its foriegn visitors.
     
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    Not to start another discussion or change the topic (or maybe this doesn't?), but the gaming lobby will never let that happen, and if anything, in 25 yrs the tax liability point will be much higher, like double if not more.
    I think in the not too distant future, they'll change that $1200 threshold because it's outdated and that the level of play isn't as rare as it once was.
     
  19. sammowhammo

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    in 25 years...

    Work on Echelon & Fountain Bleu will finally resume.

    The compromise to get rid of the porn slappers is legalized prostitution, contact your host.
     
  20. Dean Martin

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    The funny thing is.....it'll happen while you almost don't even know it and then you'll say "oh, shit....I sound just like those old farts I used to laugh at!":evillaugh The circle of life will get you:poke:

    Actually, from reading your posts, you'll probably be a little more accepting than some. I know I whine sometimes but in the end, I realize Vegas is Vegas and things keep changing, so you gotta change w/ it and enjoy what's new or just stay home:beer:
     
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