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Video Poker Two Pair Possibilities

Discussion in 'Video Poker' started by Texas Gramma, May 4, 2014.

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  1. Texas Gramma

    Texas Gramma Low-Roller

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    Probably this is a dumb question... but I am curious. In playing a variation of video poker where special payouts are paid for 4 of a kind and 4 of a kind with a kicker... am I better off when I draw 2 pair to hold both or hold just 1 pair in hopes of drawing 4 of a kind?
     
  2. Tubbs

    Tubbs High-Roller

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    If you mention the game and the pay table someone will give you a detailed reply. Sometimes it is the correct play to hold AA with something like AA449, but holding a dealt 2 pair for the guaranteed return and possibility of a full house is the standard play for most hands in the vast majority of games.
     
  3. tringlomane

    tringlomane STP Addicted Beer Snob

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    This is an important question, and one of the most common mistakes I see from typical players.

    Generally you always want to hold two pair unless you're playing double bonus or double double bonus or triple bonus plus. Any game where 4 aces pay 160 for 1 or higher (800+ at max bet) mainly. In these games, you want to hold aces over two pair generally.

    One exception to just holding aces in these games is if you end up playing 10/7 Double Bonus only, then it depends on where you play. If you play at MSS and get a scratch card for a 4 of a kind, then just hold aces like other DB games. Anywhere that doesn't give you a bonus for a 4 of a kind, always hold two pair at 10/7 Double Bonus only.
     
  4. Auggie

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    Typically you hold the 2 pair.

    The big question off the start is: does 2 pair pay 2 credits or only 1? If it pays 2 credits then you should hold the 2 pair. If it pays 1 then you should hold the 2 pair unless one of the pairs is aces and even then you only hold the aces instead of 2 pair in very very few games (obscure ones that aren't in every casino, so generally you are OK to hold the 2 pair with aces).

    Here is the why:

    In the bonus poker games its four of a kind of A, 2, 3, 4 and 5 that pay a four of a kind bonus.

    If you are dealt something like QQJJ9 making four queens or four jacks isn't going to be worth any big bonus to outweigh the value of holding the QQ and JJ - the value of which is an 8.5% chance to make a full house.

    The problem then becomes if you are dealt something like 22889 if you break up the two pair (to hold the two twos going for the bonus four deuces is worth) then you are giving up a paying hand in the hopes of making four of a kind... but the odds of making four of a kind are pretty slim: you only have a 0.27% chance of turning your 22 in to four of a kind drawing 3 cards, whereas again you have an 8.5% chance of turning your 2288 in to a full house.

    And that second part falls under the number one rule of video poker: other than when you are dealt four to a royal flush you never break up a paying hand to a non paying hand to chase a draw.
     
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    AFAIK you typically hold two pair unless playing Deuces Wild.
     
  6. tringlomane

    tringlomane STP Addicted Beer Snob

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    The 1 for 1 check is a good point, but Double Double Bonus is an obscure game? Many of the games that pay 1 for 1 on two pair, you'll break 2 pair w/Aces. Bonus Deluxe (7/5 or higher) and 10/7 Double Bonus are the most common ones where you wouldn't break Aces.

    But the rest of double bonus, double double bonus, triple double bonus, triple bonus plus, white hot aces, super double bonus, super aces bonus, super double double bonus, and probably some more obscure games I am omitting, you'll want to break 2 pair w/Aces.

    You hold two pair in a lot of deuces games too, anytime the full house pays 20 credits instead of 15 w/max bet.
     
  7. Auggie

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    True, Double Double Bonus is a game you should find almost everywhere and one where you should break up the aces... but taking a quick peek at the math the difference is almost neglibile whether or not you hold the 2 pair with aces or not.

    True, in Deuces Wild you don't hold two pair... but the OP asked: "special payouts are paid for 4 of a kind and 4 of a kind with a kicker" which is more an indication they are looking at the bonus pokers.
     
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    tringlomane STP Addicted Beer Snob

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    Are you sure about that? A $1.56 error on a 9/6 DDB dollar machine is pretty big to me.
     
  9. Minnesota3

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    It so much depends on the individual paytable of the game. I play a lot of 7/5 Super Double Bonus at the quarter level at a local casino. On that game you split up the two pair in a hand such as QQ77 and hold just the QQ, as quad J, Q, or K pay 600 coins on this game. In the full-pay 9/5 version of the game, you hold the 2-pair.
     
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