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Table Games Two hands @15$ or one hand @ 25$

Discussion in 'Table Games' started by Bamfbowhunter, May 22, 2012.

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  1. Bamfbowhunter

    Bamfbowhunter Low-Roller

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    My bankroll for my trip next week is big enough to either play two 15$ hands or one 25$/30$hand at a time.. Which would be the best way? I see some guys say they play two hands and press when they win both.. Just curious on yalls thoughts.. If i play two hands i have to play at a game with worse rules than a 25$ table.
     
  2. Ike

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    Just play one hand at $25, you will find much better rules. The problem with playing two hands of at $15 is that you'll have to play at a $5 minimum table, which will rake you across the coals with their rules.
     
  3. 4dazeoff

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    agreed, ALWAYS play the better rules! if you get on a heater or have a big winning session, you could try two hands at $25. if you do poorly with two hands, go back to one. if your bankroll allows, always take the better rules! good luck!:beer:
     
  4. Ike

    Ike Low-Roller

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    Ceasar's actually allows you to play two hands at the table minimum, but their rules are AWFUL!
     
  5. Nevyn

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    I'd do one hand at $25, but that's just me.
     
  6. Funkhouser

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    Agreed always take the best odds your can get for your money.

    Stay away from the continous shuffle machines as well. They have mixed in what looks like more favoriable odds with continous shufflers.

    Played at Bellagio last year and witnesses a larger stakes player $100 to 150 a hand at $10 min table playing an 8 deck continous shuffler table.

    You got 3/2 payout for BJ, and split on anything, but the table ran really choppy. After each hand they reloaded the cards in the shuffler.
     
  7. Llew

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    Continuous shuffler actually provides a very tiny advantage to basic strategy players, if I remember correctly. Downside for those players is more time spent dealing, since there is no shuffle, increasing theoretical loss even as the house edge decreases.
     
  8. WrongWayWade

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    CSMs

    I think continuous shuffling machines are evil because they make counting impossible. The downside of speeding up the game is almost moot, now, as so many places use automatic shufflers for their shoe games, so the delay at the shuffle is very small.

    However, if you are just playing basic strategy, CSMs are OK (or better than OK) because your basic strategy plays will be statistically correct all the time. In a shoe as the ratio of high to low cards changes, some basic strategy plays become wrong based on the remaining cards. (Of course, you'd have to be counting to know this and make the requisite adjustments.) This problem doesn't exist with a CSM where you are effectively dealing from the beginning of a shoe all the time.
     
  9. Nevyn

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    Llew is correct. There is a very slight decrease in house edge for continuous shuffle. This is basically because a shoe with lots of small cards will burn through a lot of cards (while you lose), and you'll get to the cut card in fewer hands, with a lot of 10s left behind, but when the shoe starts out with high cards, fewer cards are used, and you get more hands in with the bad cards near the end of the shoe.

    But I'd expect the extra hands dealt to far more than make up for that. Even with mechanical shufflers for shoe games, loading and unloading the shuffler, making the cut, setting the cut card, and restarting will take up some time, Do that a few times an hour and that's probably 5-10 fewer hands.

    And of course, the not being able to count probably helps casinos elsewhere, too, as they won't have to watch as close for card counters and other types of advantage play.
     
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    If you play long enough I would think you would be better to play the $25 instead of the two hands for $15 in terms of comps.

    Not sure of the official rule in terms of comps but don't believe they will view your 2 $15 hands as a single bet and rate you as a $30 player.

    I would be interested if anyone can confirm.
     
  11. numeno

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    I think this will depend on the casino and maybe even the pit boss. I did ask one and was told he was adding both hands together. I know Mirage was adding both together as well(but that was at $25+/hand). I do know it would be easy for them to miss it and not rate both hands though.





    I prefer 2 hands over 1. However I am not going to pick horrible rules just to play 2 hands. I am playing to have fun, and 2 hands just mixes up the risk and the odds of going broke in 10 hands. That said, the odds of finding a good table that will allow 2 hands at $15/hand is incredibly low. $20/hand would open up a lot of places downtown. $25/hand opens up some on the strip during the day. One tip is that most casinos allow 2 hands at $25/each if it is a $15 table. They won't require $30/hand.
     
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