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TR Diamond or Mlife Gold?

Discussion in 'Comps' started by JR Swift, Mar 12, 2016.

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  1. JR Swift

    JR Swift High-Roller

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    My gambling budget has gone up quite a bit over the last few years and I find myself in a position to earn Diamond status with TR this year if I continue my current level of play over the next 6 months or so (I have a local TR casino I frequent.) At the same time, I am about halfway to Gold status at MLife, which is based solely on a couple of Vegas trips and there is a pretty good chance I could earn that on my next Vegas trip in May if I stay and mostly play at one of their properties. I play a mix of slots, video poker and video keno and my main goals would be room comps or really good deals on suites. Room comps at lower end TR properties already seem pretty easy to come by whereas my MLife offers are mostly discounted rooms with some resort credits. After staying at the Mirage and the Delano on my last two trips, I am feeling kind of spoiled and, even now, I can frequently book really nice rooms or suites for between $50-$150. Those places are head and shoulders above all but the higher end TR resorts. So...what do you all think I should do for my May trip? Stay at a Mlife resort and focus my play there with a pretty good chance of hitting Gold status on that trip? Or stay with TR and accelerate my progress towards Diamond status and hope that focusing my play with them in Vegas will result in comps at the nicer properties like Caesars or the Cromwell? I honestly haven't played much with TR in Vegas over the last several years, just dropping a $20 or two while passing through. Any advice is appreciated.
     
  2. adbynot

    adbynot High-Roller

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    JR. Get out of my head. I was considering asking the same question. I am currently 2/3 to Gold at Mlife but have almost nothing at TR.
    I was considering doing DIAD on my next trip but I am wondering if just playing on with Mlife makes more sense.
     
  3. Multifarious5

    Multifarious5 High-Roller

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    I've only played Mlife and have been very happy (currently gold---was just a hair, 7k under platinum), but my two cents is, decide where you enjoy staying most. If you prefer TR properties, focus there. If you prefer Mlife, focus on Mlife. Both systems have their plusses and minuses, but my golden rule of comps is, if you don't like the hotel you're getting comped at, it's a wash.

    One BIG difference I'd say is whether or not you're a property hopper. Mlife is like a franchise, you can be platinum, but if you bounce around, you might not get great comps. Or you could be Pearl or Gold, and get stellar comps. On Mlife, if you focus you play at only one or two properties, like I do, you're set. This works great for me, to the point I now enjoy upfront comps on all my room stays at Mlife, if I stick with my tried and true properties. For my play style Mlife works great, but if you like to hop around, it might not. I heard (key word is heard, check with CET people) that comps are more based on universal play at CET properties, where as Mlife comps are based on play at each individual property. (Even though your tier level is universal within mlife).

    My original tip stands though, I'd focus on whatever system has the hotels you prefer to stay in more...good luck and enjoy!

    P.S. On "property hopper", I mean playing at a bunch of different hotels WHILE you're staying at one. Staying 3 days at each hotel and focusing your play AT that specific hotel, is absolutely fine for Mlife, and it's what I do. I meant if you like to go out and gamble an hour a two a day at 5 different properties, Mlife doesn't reward this as much as it rewards focused play at the mlife hotel you're staying at.
     
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    Sooooo far away still...
    Cosmo, always our favorite part of our trip!
  4. Auggie

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    MLife Gold is more like the Total Reward's Platinum level - even though MLife's Gold is is the third tier in that program, it only needs about as much play to earn that Platinum does within the Total Rewards program.
     
  5. adbynot

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    I think you nailed it on the head. It really doesn't make sense playing at places that you don't like or want to stay at. For me, Mlife properties seem better and I love the Bellagio.
     
  6. Multifarious5

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    Thanks Ad, and still loving that photo! It makes me grin every time. I've always been an Aria fan (mlife again, I also prefer their properties), but will finally be staying at Bellagio as well this trip, can't wait!!!!!
     
    Sooooo far away still...
    Cosmo, always our favorite part of our trip!
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    I was about halfway to Gold last year and my play was divided between CET (Because of the comps I would get for my level) and MLife (because I like their hotels more). Multi has it right, decide where you like to stay more and focus play there, the only caveat of that is there was a thread just written about a guy gambling under MLife and not getting great comps. It boiled down to him spreading his play among MLife casinos and that diluted his play from a "home" property and didn't seem to comp him as good as he should of been. The hero of that story was the Slot VP from Cosmo was on his thread and told him to give them a try and likely matched the offer he had, you may try reaching out to him if you have been in Cosmo and have a desire to try them out.

    Otherwise, if you like to walk and play, CET is better about rewarding traveling gamblers, I know from my gambling even in Tahoe giving me offer in Vegas and vise versa.

    Next month, Cosmo will be my home base (I may never leave the casino, they have everything!) because of the Slot VP on this board and him matching my CET offer and me also wanting to zero in on a casino I really enjoy being at and has what I want (poolside gamaing, A List Club, fun dealers and great atmosphere). Not sure what level you actually play at, but it seems similar to mine and you should see some rewards from it win or lose.
     
  8. Chuck2009x

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    Strictly on the basis of what benefits you get for tagging a tier level, TR Diamond is much more valuable than MLife Gold.

    CET Diamond gets you a $100 dinner voucher, exemption from resort fees, and access to Diamond Lounges for free drinks and food.

    MLife Gold gets you an extra two cents each of Express Comps and PointPlay for every $30 coin in on slots (compared to the base Sapphire level).

    So if you reach Diamond and Gold on the same day, if on your next trip, you stayed at both a CET property and an MLife property for 3 nights, your Diamond benefits (excluding the lounge access) would be worth ~$190 ($100 dinner and $30/night resort fee). It would take $142,500 coin in at MLife to earn that much from the tier bonus ECs and PointPlay.

    I'm leaving out comparison of other benefits like gift shop discounts, etc, because I think there's not a significant difference. I'm also leaving out the 20% MLife Tier Discount under the assumption that at either chain, you are only taking whatever room type is comped. CET doesn't offer tier discounts on rooms, so if you were to book suites at MLife properties using the tier discount, you could make up the difference fast, but of course, then you're out of pocket for 80% of the room cost.
     
  9. adbynot

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    I also find that CET offers weekend stays for me and the good Mlife properties are Sun-Thurs. Disclaimer: I like the Flamingo for some strange reason, but only to stay at.
     
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    CET also has a lot of properties all over the place. We can drive to A/C, so this makes CET Diamond more worthwhile to us. Something to consider if you're near CET properties. Good advice above as well!
     
    Will give them a try!
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    I was platinum with mgm for many years, I switch to cet 3 years ago, and I think cet is way better in terms of comps. Although the casinos are not as nice, I rather take the comps than the nice rooms. Plus cet is renovating their rooms. The downside with the mgm resorts are they give you comps based on the casino you play at so you don't get the best comps at other mgm owned property. Mgm messed up when they say they won't rate table games also so I decided not to play there from now on
     
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    Like others have said stay where you like. I'm a Monte Carlo fan and have been concentrating my play there now for 5 years. I'm full RFB comped upfront there. I do like to play other places so I wire my upfront money to Monte Carlo and then take cash to spend at the other Casinos. I found this to works for me, I'm Noir for Mlife and Diamond for TR.
     
  13. jgates8

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    Depending on your ADT at your home casino (assuming Kansas City?), you may or may not get the nicer level rooms at the CET hotels. My host will book me at any CET hotel I want (except Cromwell & Nobu), even if it doesn't show up on my account when logged in as a comp.

    However if you are playing 50 points a day at your home casino & earning Diamond that way, then your room types in Vegas will likely be on the lower end.

    If you feel you can get Diamond 'at home' anyway, then maybe you don't need to worry about playing in Vegas. If it might be an issue, then adding on some Vegas play could benefit you immensely. The Diamond lounge meals at Vegas are pretty light - more just a few appy's. (Harrahs was good). However at the regional casinos they seem to be a lot better. Soup & small salad bar at council bluffs one night, burgers another night. Basically you could eat free at home in the evenings with Diamond status when you go to play.

    I love the Ballys Jubilee rooms, love Paris Red (and actually am fine with a regular Paris room although some hate them) & like the Go rooms too. At some point I will likely attempt Harrahs after the room redos - however I had an allergy to a cleaning solution in there.
     
  14. gilly from philly

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    Back when I was only at the gold level for Mlife, I never paid resort fees, they were always part on my room comp. I also always had resort credit much higher than $100. So your comparison is not quite correct.
     
  15. JR Swift

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    Wow! Great responses here so far. Welcome anyone else's input as well! Usually my play at my local Harrah's (KC) will be around 1000 tier credits a day for a 2 day stay once a month or so. With the current tier credit bonuses in play, I shouldn't have any problem achieving Diamond status in a few more months. I can vouch for the fact that CET properties are much more "connected" when it comes to comps. Outside of the top tier of Vegas casinos and a few other locations during busy times or weekends, I can pretty much book a free room for between 2 and 7 nights anywhere in the country. MLife has been pretty stingy with any good offers but I'm now wondering if that is because I only had one night of concentrated play this past trip at Mandalay Bay and the next day I spread my play over almost every other MLife casino up and down the Strip. From what I've read here, that was likely a mistake. The Cosmo is a great place and I did stay there a few years ago and loved the room. I get the feeling that, like Wynn/Encore or Venetian/Palazzo, it might require a level of play that is still above what I can afford.

    A couple of other places that intrigue me would be the Palms (have enjoyed playing and staying there in the past) and the Tropicana (since they are now part of the same company as two of my local casinos--Argosy and Hollywood.) Anyone have any thoughts on how well they would treat $5000 to $10000 a day in coin in?

    Thanks again though! Great information.
     
  16. Chuck2009x

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    Neither of those is because of your Gold tier status.
     
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    I'd agree with the Blackjacknut. I've been with Monte Carlo now for 20 years, and stay with them every annual trip. Everything is taken care of. I stay on the lower suites rather than Hotel 32 within the Monte Carlo Hotel out of tradition. Never bothered asking about the top floor rooms. You are correct about MLife (MGM) looking at things in a more corporate way, however they still rate table play as that is all I usually play. It's just that I think many of the strip casinos would prefer to see only slot machines and very few casino dealers/staff (due to overheads and relative return per square foot)...but they have to lay out the table games otherwise surely they would lose their clientele.

    One thing I've learnt though is to stay where you want, and do what you want. Don't do it for the comps. If you did, then you may as well just pay for what it is you want to do, as it's sure going to be cheaper than trying to win it.....!!

    I have about 10 player cards for Vegas. I have absolutely no idea what all the other cards entitle me to other than the MLIfe card. One day I'll actually ask what I can get on the other casino properties, but what's the point...can only stay in one room, and and can only eat in one restaurant at a time. Play where you like, stay where you like, and have fun. We are, after all, paying for that rather expensive privilege!!!
     
  18. mikeyvegas1

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    A lot of people here say that you need to direct your mlife play at one casino to get comps from them. I have noticed this for property specific offers. 3-4 times a year I get a corporate offer and since I like to play at various mlife properties and maybe a few other places too, my corporate offer usually beats my property specific offer by 10-20% and it is open to all mlife properties at different levels.
     
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    As a note - somewhere in this comp section is a link to sign up for bonus TCs for April - June at CET casinos. If you are playing at your home casino anyway, you might actually be able to push yourself to a higher Diamond level - not sure if you could get to the next tier or not. With 1000 per day x 2 you should reach 2nd level Diamond as you would get a 1000 per day bonus on each of those days. If you factor in the add'l bonus for April, May & June you would receive an add'l 50% for each of those monthly earns. So 6000 per month vs 4000.
     
  20. Its Only Money

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    MLife still rates your table play. You just don't earn ECs from table play. I will make Platinum in April again, and it will be from 95% table play. I'm not thrilled about the no ECs but their LV properties just blow CET away at every level.
     
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