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Table Games Tough day at BJ tables, is this typical?

Discussion in 'Table Games' started by LandryBalla9, Nov 25, 2013.

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  1. LandryBalla9

    LandryBalla9 High-Roller

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    Went and played at Maryland Live! yesterday for a few hours and after playing quite a bit of blackjack over the years, wanted to know if this is common? (and there is little if any exaggeration here!).
    Played for about 4 hours as well.
    Was playing $35-50 hands and the following happened:

    1. Lost with a hard 19 21/23 times.
    2. Pushed with a hard 20 17 times.
    3. Lost with a 20 to a backend 21 (not blackjack) 14 times.
    4. Lost my double downs (about $80 per hand as I was playing mostly $40 dollar hands) 16/21 times. This I am particularly peeved about
    5. Lost my splits (and not against 9's or 10's but rather, 3,4,5 and 6's) 16/22 times.

    It is impossible to win, let alone not lose everything, with this string of luck.

    Anyone else have any horrible runs like this and can empathize? I am almost done with the game after this one shot lol. And yes, I understand its gambling but if doubles and splits lose at this frequency, it makes playing not fun anymore.
     
  2. Keyser Soze

    Keyser Soze Low-Roller

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    Your results are known as 'negative variance.' And as you have experienced, things can be quite nasty sometimes.

    Remember, unless you are counting, or employing some other advantage play, you're supposed to lose.

    It sucks, but that's the truth.
     
  3. LandryBalla9

    LandryBalla9 High-Roller

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    I understand and appreciate that I am supposed to lose but regardless, the way it happened with that many horrible hands was just a bit odd. Granted, again, it's gambling it was still disheartening since that many loses on doubles and splits takes the fun out of the game.
     
  4. TIMSPEED

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    Weird shit happens...
    I was playing videopoker the other nights...
    simple single-line JacksOrBetter and I lost 26 STRAIGHT hands (yes, 26 hands in a row with NO pair of Jacks+)
     
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    UKFanatic The Arbiter of Taste Caviar Kid

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    Gamble long enough and any gambler will experience a bad run of negative variance. What you have described accounts for about a third of the hands you played. Appears as though you had the oppo9rtunity to split or double down about 20% of the time. Definitely stinks that you los the majority of those hands, but personally, I would love shoes where I can split or double down 20% of the time because that is typically how you can make money at BJ
     
  6. meyers67

    meyers67 High-Roller

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    So what was your loss for the 4 hours?
     
  7. Dude beer

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    I have also had horrible runs. I once sat down at a $25 table w/ $800 while waiting for my wife to get ready for dinner. I then proceeded to lose or push 25 hands in a row. Tried to get some of it back by betting more per hand and still lost. I had to go back up to the room to get money for the cab since I had blown all the cash in my wallet. It's a pretty disgusting experience when you get buried in bad luck (or negative variance or whatever). We've all been there. Give it a little time and you'll want to go back to hit the tables.
     
  8. fugsworth

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    That is an extraordinarily bad run. Sorry to hear that. (No sage advice, I'm afraid... just sympathy.)
     
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    We have all been there bro. Last time I played in the high limit room at MGM I lost or pushed something on the order of 25 hands in a row. Unfortunately, most of the time, I dont leave but dig in my pocket for more when i get felted. I try to use some discipline if I see I am in the middle of a bad run, and leave.
     
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    yes especaly on any day that ends with the letter y:thumbsup:

    lost 15 grand over 2 days 3 casinos couldnt win crap.
    third day sat down lost every hand i had moved tables , lost every hand again ,moved tables won 6 grand. took a break the switched tables as they closed the table i was on and won another 3 grand.:thumbsup:
     
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    Did you do anything to try to offset the variance? Obvious the most typical would be move tables. Then there is the sit out an occasional hand, move positions on the table (if possible), ask for a shuffle, etc

    I myself have personal rule, if I reach x percentage of losing hands in a given shoe, especially consecutive bad hands or alternating losses I will employ a player variance adjustment. Whether it is get up from the table and go to the bathroom, whatever.

    It sucks to see that much loss on positive plays. How many hours were you in for at the casino and what was there shuffling method?
     
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    While that run is certainly not something anyone would expect to see every day, it is not "off the charts" unusual either. Maybe once in a hundred sessions you would see a train wreck like this.

    Just out of curiosity, how did you track the number of hands with each outcome so precisely? I would like to do this but short of writing it down I don't see how it would be possible.

    On a positive note, you will at some point see the opposite of this--where your 15s and 16s turn in to 21s, your split 8s draw 3s, you double soft 17 and pull a 4, the dealer busts with an ace showing, dealer has a 6 under every face card etc
     
  13. BeeeJay

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    Blackjack of all games often surprises me with it's unexpected "streakiness".

    I mean its basically a 50/50 game and should be a decent low-variance play, but somehow i just get screwed hard more often than not on the game.

    Because of this I barely play any blackjack. If I'm gonna blow my wad, I prefer to do it on a game I enjoy like roulette or video poker. For comparable odds and variance to blackjack I definitely prefer craps because at least it can be REALLY slow if you are running bad---you can just go pass line w/single odds or something.

    Gambling overall really surprises me with the streaks and for me the best way to enjoy it is to go less often, be properly bankrolled, expect to win, but be mentally prepared for a slaughter. I write off the entire bankroll as a loss before I even board the plane.
     
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    I'm a peaceful guy and I know the dealers are just dealing the cards but those are the types of situations where I swear I'm half a step away from tossing the table and pissing in their mouth.

    It sucks but as others have said it happens to anyone who has played enough. When that happens to me I often end up on tilt making the bad decision of buying in for more instead of just taking a breather. To borrow from another poster who said it best in another thread months ago - it becomes a war of attrition between me and the casino, and that's a really dumb war to be in.
     
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    I was just in Vegas this past week and had a terrible hand. I was at Venetian and had $25 out, which is a pretty decent bet for me, and got dealt AA against a dealer 6. I end up getting two more Aces and proceed to get nothing better than a 17. Dealer of course draws to 18 and takes my $100 in a matter of seconds.

    Later on I was playing back at Aria and hadn't been doing too well so I took my $200 in chips I had and moved over to another table. Betting $25 again I proceed to lose 7 hands in a row, one of which was a double, and there goes the $200 I had no more than a few minutes ago.

    Shit happens!
     
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    I had the same thought when I first saw this post
     
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    i add a hand or 2 to skake up the cards and besides a shuffle , theres nothing you can do.

    some days you cant lose some weeks you cant win
     
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    I'm on a similar run right now, lose almost every double, draw a ten everytime you hit 12, 13 or 14, have a 20 against crap and the dealer draws to a push or 21, raise your bet and get dealt two faces...boom dealer BJ.

    It happens and it sucks.
     
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    All of this talk about shuffling/playing multiple hands/changing tables has no bearing on anything. The OP is talking about playing 87 hands (minimum) and tracking the exact miserable outcome of each one. The humdrum hands where he won with 18 against dealer 17, pushed the dealer with 19, held 16 and watched the dealer bust etc are not even accounted for in his post. He played many, many shoes over a decently long period of time to see these results which he apparently tracked very carefully. Yes, it is very possible to see these lousy results. You can easily win or lose 12, 15, even 20 hands in a row. There is nothing you can do about it but play on until variance smiles on you.
     
  20. topcard

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    Like most (if not all) of us, I've also had bad runs like this... but I've also had an entire 6-deck shoe at the old IP without a single loss! Yes, that's right...every hand was a win or push. I've frequently experienced two-deck games where the dealer busted every single hand in a given deck. I've had runs where every single time I hit a 12 - 16, I drew a card that gave me a 17+.
    I also (once) was dealt twelve 12s in a row, and drew a ten on every single one one them, as the dealer had a 7+ showing every single time.

    Play blackjack long enough and you'll see streaky stuff like this. Sometimes it helps you and sometimes it kills you.
    My advice? Set a session loss-limit that you stick to every single time you sit down at a table. If it vanishes, take a break. Play another game for a while. I know that many here would say that it's all "one big session", and that breaking it up accomplishes nothing in the long run. I've found the opposite to be true so often that I have to disagree.
    I'm sure that when it's all said and done, and I play my last blackjack hand ever, I'll be up a little bit (1-2%) - as I would expect to be using a simple +/- count on the two-deck games I primarily stick with.
    But in the meantime, there's certainly no harm in taking breaks, sitting out a few hands, waiting for a shuffle, changing tables or changing casinos. And if, like me, one finds that this kind of superstition seems to work more often than not, then at least one will have more fun along the journey!
    :beer:
     
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