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Table Games This is why you are a loser at craps

Discussion in 'Table Games' started by Rush, Jun 3, 2013.

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  1. Rush

    Rush High-Roller

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    I thought that might get your attention! Naturally, this doesn't apply to everyone, but after my recent trip, and after two long days at the local joint, I have reaffirmed what I have thought for years: People are stupid!

    How many craps players talk about, "wishing I could be at the table for a monster roll"? Well, I'm here to tell you, a 'monster' doesn't need to be three hours and 200 rolls long. Sure, that would be great, but most of us will NEVER see one of those. On the other hand, all of us see 20-30 roll hands plenty of times. I have news for you.....those are monsters!

    Three players IN A ROW had 20+ rolls at Oneida on Sunday afternoon, and the table was full. Only a couple of guys made money!!!! You tell me how that is possible? The guy to my left had this betting pattern: $5 pass line wager. That's it. Don't wait for the rest. I guess if that's the temperment of your game, ok, but you need to find another sport, IMO!

    Another lady at the end of the table wanted everyone to know she was a savvy craps vet, so she shouted out, "Dollar Yo, Two dollar high/low, hard 8 hopping, and big red", every toss of the dice. Hard to believe she was bust at the end of it all.

    I few other guys would have a pass/odds and maybe one come bet. Never pressed anything up. Always $5, and nothing more. After these three rollers and two shittty ones, I colored up. I looked around the table and most of the players had maybe a hundred bucks more than the two/three hundred they bought in for. The first of the "Big Three" had a nice rack of greens in front of him, and I made a few bucks myself. I was up a thousand, and that's starting with a $12 6 and 8 on each shooter, and working my way up from there. I had over $500 on the layout each time those three guys 7nd out. (That's the worst part of upping your bets!)

    So, explain to me.......when do you consider a roll a monster, and more importantly, when do you consider the shooter "on a roll"? At some point, if you plan on making money, money has to be wagered!
     
  2. Packer Backer

    Packer Backer Low-Roller

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    Is Oneida the Casino in Green Bay at the Convention Center and Hotel?

    How about those Field bet only players... One chip at a time per roll....
     
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  3. numeno

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    20+ is a very good roll. Monster to me would probably be 40+.

    I would consider 3 20+ rolls in a row a monster as well. The best I've had was 2 20+ in a row and then a few 10+ for a few shooters.



    Slightly off topic as well, but "stupid" can be defined 10 different ways in craps. I've had many times where I would win a massive amount which I was very happy to be playing big. Then there were those times where I'm down $1000 in 15 minutes and wishing I would have just bet the pass line. :) Although I can't justify the person doing 1 roll bets on every roll. :)

    I envy those people that can enjoy the game just by playing $5 pass + $5 odds. I wish I could do that and have some fun. Seeing $200 turn into $3000 though really ruined it for me.
     
  4. Polemarch28

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    I've always struggled with figuring out my favorite craps strategy. My current pattern looks something like this:

    Option A:

    Pass Line + Odds
    1 Come Bet + Odds

    Then, once I've hit two bets (either pass line wins, or come bet wins, doesn't matter), I double one of them. Then if something hits, I double the other one. Then I wait until two more wins before pressing either again.

    OR

    Option B:

    Pass Line + Odds
    Moderate Place 6
    Moderate Place 8

    Once I've hit two bets (either pass line wins, or either of the place bets), I press up one of the place bets two units. Once I win something again, I press the other. I typically won't press the pass line bet until I'm well ahead for the roll.
     
  5. Rush

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  6. Rush

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    One thing really pissed me off about those rolls. Some clown squeezes into the last spot two down from me on the last hot shooter. The table is pretty slow now, because everyone has a ton of bets on the center of the table, and they seem to be hitting every other toss. As soon as the dealers have all of this crap paid off, clown man tosses his chips down and says, "54 across". Next roll, same shit. The dice are ready to roll, "Take me down to 27 across". It would be press a number, take a number down, off this roll.......a real asshole. Then he argued he was missing a 5 dollar chip on a bet, so THAT held up the table for a minute. He was a real buzz kill to the table.

    These guys need a punch in the kidneys when the dice are going down the table.
     
  7. VegasBJ

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    seems to be a lot of fleas buzzing around that table
     
  8. UKFanatic

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    That's annoying, but just roll with it. Good teams of dealers know how to handle those kinds of bets quickly. A dealer at Wynn told me recently when she used to deal at Flamingo, she had to place an "off" marker on every single bet of one gambler if the gambler announced everything off. Talk about a way to slow down the game!
     
  9. nnuggett

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    I tend to judge rolls in terms of minutes.

    A shooter holding the dice more than 20 minutes is Usually the beginnings of a really good to excellent roll (this assumes an efficient crew and relatively knowledgeable players). As time goes by the payoffs get bigger and slower.

    Last trip out I was "moments from greatness " twice, where the payoffs were two colors away from where you start(e.g. Reds to greens to blacks).

    IMO- a truly GREAT roll is a two plus color difference.

    I've experienced only three truly great rolls (40 minutes plus). They were all fun and two were really profitable.

    I will never forget that first great roll I saw -I made $120 and was happy 'til the dealer leaned over and said "you should of made $1200".

    That's when I bought a book. I'm still waiting for another roll as good as that first one! Been hooked ever since.
     
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    This is one reason I stopped shooting craps in LV. Too many know it all's, and want to be high rollers. If I want to play the pass line w/ odds its my cash it doesn't hurt you one bit. I keep my mouth shut and roll, and you know what I have had 20+ rolls and made some people cake. To each his own, its not your money I am playing with.
     
  11. UKFanatic

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    I hear ya. There are know it alls at every casino games I have ever played. BJ is the only one I was totally driven away from, and that was mainly because of the number of drunk know it alls. personally, I disagree with the OP and his betting strategy, but its all good. Plenty of people disagree with my strategy also. And when they complain at the table, I just smile and pick up my winnings :evillaugh
     
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    I was in Vegas a few weekends ago and found a few pretty good tables...I always bet Pass + max odds and 6 and 8. I press 6 and 8 every other hit. Unfortunately, I didn't learn about the come bet after the point is set till my last day there or I would have made a killing!

    On the other side of the coin, my last day there I blew my entire bankroll in 20 minutes on a cold table…

    The hardest thing is being able to recognize a “hot” table and have the guts to press

    As weird as it is…seems like every time someone jumps in when the button is on the next roll is a seven out…
     
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    30+

    I consider a monster roll in excess of thirty rolls. Also,since I play the Dont's a lot, once a shooter hits three points I stop betting against him. I then place the six and eight and usually can win some of my money back.
     
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    Jumping up 2 colors is a good way to put it. I've had several "2 color jump" rolls.

    Most recently was at Cosmo. I started with $$270 ($50 on each number) across and was killing the 8 and 10. I had my $60 8 up to $360 or something by pleasing $60 each time it hit and the 10 up to $300, also pressing $50 a hit. Pretty much everyone at the table won a good amount of money. I turned my $200 initial buy in into $2200 between my roll and the guy before me.

    Another time was at the rio. One guy at the table playing $5 or $10 on the pass. No odds, place bets, come bets, nothing. I see he has 2 points (marked by the fire bet) already hit and I jump in with $160 across, no point all place bets $300 buyin. Dude rolls and rolls hits 5 or 6 points but only the 8-9-10. I ended up cashing out about $2500 or so and had my 9 upto somewhere around $400. I toked my dealer $50 for pressing my bets for me and the shooter $50 since he only made $50 or so. Never once did he make a bet other then the pass line. I guess he just wanted to roll the dice.
     
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    I consider hot rolls in terms of minutes. I am not counting the number of passes. Who has time for that when I'm concentrating on what I have working.

    I also feel it is a little short sighted to be annoyed at people who call out the sucker bets. If they didn't bet those Yos the casino would not make as much and would need to find another way to suck in your cash. I don't want everyone to play it safe, it is gambling after all. It is amusing to watch them.

    I don't always press....so what do you care? Everyone has a amount on the table that is their comfort zone. If you are the only one at the table making money walk away rich and happy.

    My only annoyance at the craps table are people who hold up the game on a hot roll, those dice shouldn't be allowed to cool off.
     
  16. Rush

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    Some of you guys have it wrong. I don't give a shit if you make a penny at this game. I'm just making observations, and it's funny. If you want to bet one bet during a roll like that, go ahead! Don't crawl up my ass over it, though!

    Like the title said........
     
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    I agree with this. I NEVER "put my hand in another mans pocket". In other words, I dont tell anyone how to bet unless they ask me. Its their money, let them play how they want. I lose more money because I am too aggressive in pressing my bets up. That is how I like to play with MY MONEY and I dont begrude others who have a vastly different strategy or theory on how to play. I do get the OP's point though in shaking my head at some of the things I see other folks do with their money. Not understanding the rules, not knowing basic strategy, not adjusting to whats going on, etc. In the end its all good!
     
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    I play like OP and agree with him. I have a fairly worked out press bet schedule that really piles it up on those 20± rolls.

    I was at a table last year where this guy rolled 13 points and probably threw the dice 60 time sand the entire table NEVER bet more than $5 on the line and single odds. I started at table min and had a rack full of green and black by the end and everyone looked at me like I was some kind of wizard.

    The shooter himself came out maybe $150 ahead on that monster...
     
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    I don't think anyone is crawling up your ass. I think the original post does a bit more than make an observation. But at the end of the day, if you're betting strategy is working, then awesome, go for it. At the same time, there's not much reason to criticize how other people wager (unless they are breaching table etiquette or being an all around jerk)
     
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    Wow. 13 points is a monster roll by any definition!
     
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