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This ain't MLB, the NBA, the NFL or anything involving Lance Armstrong ...

Discussion in 'Non-Vegas Chat' started by ken2v, May 30, 2014.

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  1. ken2v

    ken2v This Space For Rent

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    Justin Rose called a one-stroke penalty on himself for a double hit. He missed the cut by that one stroke. Tour officials reviewing HD video saw no basis for the penalty. Rose said he was pretty sure it happened and assessed himself the stroke.
     
  2. geoff

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    that is an exceptional case of class integrity.. however, you don't think tiger (and others) are on the vitamin S?
     
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    But there is no exceptional to it as it happens all the time in golf. All the time.

    As for juice, have you seen Jim Furyk, Phil Mickelson Miguel Jimenez?

    A wise man said years ago: Test one guy, if he's clean does it matter what everyone else is taking? Everything I know from my friends who cover the tour is that if it is happening it is rare. The game doesn't lend itself to linebacker bulk. Hell, they got Veej for deer-antler spray. And they didn't even "get" him, he just tossed it out in an article and then someone figured out it was on -- but no longer -- WADAs hit list and it's going to cost the tour a ton of money. A ton.
     
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    At the pro level, golf is played between the ears. It's all about performing under pressure.

    If Tiger is taking a little something something, it's to heal up quicker; not to perform better.
     
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    shokhead I'm no big spender!

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    Because we don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
     
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    Profound. I get it. I've never been to Jupiter, for instance, so maybe it doesn't exist.

    If you would like to offer up some evidence, articles, studies, proof, I'm all ears. Do I think golf is pure? Of course not. Do I think it's MLB, not remotely. I'm not in the meetings, I'm not in the testing lab or witnessing the protocol. I can just go off what I know about the game, which is a fair amount, and what people who are around the professional game -- inside the ropes and out -- tell me.
     
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    Do I think golf is pure? Of course not. Do I think it's MLB, not remotely

    I agree with that.
     
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    If the guys in MLB, NHL, the NFL or NBA were to call "penalties" on themselves there'd be no other pro sports.
     
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    Penalties in hockey, football, and basketball are subjective, as are the strike zone and the check swing. In golf, there is no opponent as such, and things are rather more cut and dried. Either you touched the ball or you didn't.

    There is a significant cultural difference, though, at that level at least. Team sports fans would be happy with Godzilla being in the league so long as he played for them. Golf is "honor" policed, formally and informally, much more than team sports. When Matsuyama hit his driver on the ground, immediately someone (a fan, I assume) said something like, "You're better than that." It was audible in the broadcast. Then (for whatever reason) he chose not to use the driver in the playoff.
     
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    Also team sports is different then a one person sport like golf, tennis, ect.
     
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    So there is no part for integrity in team sports? As for tennis, is there a pro sport with more whiny petulant players? And I've not seen a lot of players say to the chair: "No, my opponent's shot you called out was actually in."
     
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    Gee, thanks for pointing that out, flyguyfl. I thought the club looked a little funny.

    Team sports offer a very limited opportunity for players to confess to anything in play. When an umpire or referee makes a call, that is the call. What a player says does not matter.
     
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    Golf has referees/umpires. In fact bazillions times more than any other sport. They are VERY much a part of determining calls and outcomes.
     
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    I said different, not no part for integrity. Let's not go overboard for a boring sport that other then golfers most don't watch unless yes, unless Tiger is playing. Sometimes the truth hurts.
     
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    Theres a million referees watching golf at home also. How many times have people watching on tv called,texted or whatever to report a violation.
     
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    Not something to brag about.
     
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    Man, there were some serious meltdowns yesterday. Matsuyama was clutch after going double bogey-bogey late and dispatching his gamer to the re-shaft heap. And I thought it was interesting that Slugger White asked his caddie if the busted club was out of the bag at the start of the playoff.

    There are only a handful of current players who'd not trade swings/places with Adam Scott, I'd imagine, but can he ever kick 'em to the curb at times?!? I think we saw a few instances of old Brainless Bubba yesterday, as well.

    Finally, who worse to have to sit around for two hours than Jittery Na. I'd like to have seen him close it out (nothing against Matsuyama, who showed a set).
     
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    Yep. Indeed. As I was saying. I think it is good the tour is trying to get ahead of this, the USGA (even as Augusta screwed the pooch last year), and allow for rules enforcement and integrity to continue but not be consumed by HD cameras and HomeRats. You could hear the announcers hinting at this very thing right after Matsuyama busted his driver.

    With his putter smash earlier this year maybe this guy needs a little anger management session?
     
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    Bummer Tiger is still on the mend. Bad for golf ratings.
     
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