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Video Poker There's no denying it, many of you VP players have me curious...

Discussion in 'Video Poker' started by Happygirl21, Mar 12, 2016.

  1. Happygirl21

    Happygirl21 Low-Roller

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    So, after creeping, lurking, and reading so many VMB VP reviews, comments, and other things, I have to admit, I am rather intrigued with the idea of learning some of the very beginner/basics of VP.

    Sadly, the majority of my poker skills relate to playing Yahtzee as a child: full house, three of a kind etc. Ok, maybe I am being slightly dramatic, I do get the flush,straight, and four of a kind, although I honestly don't know which is of more value.

    I notice there are many abbreviations like DDJ (?), pay tables (where do you even find them), and so on. If any of you would be so kind to give some very simple novice pointers and/or advice I would really appreciate it. For 24 years I have played BJ exclusively, with the occasional $20 plopped into a slot here-and-there, and although my heart is with BJ, I am looking to expand my gaming a wee-bit.

    Looking forward to some easy to understand VP info and pointers.

    As always, thanks and have a great day!
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  2. MoneyToBurn

    MoneyToBurn Low-Roller

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    I use a trainer to help me practice- http://www.freevideopoker.com/ It can be set for different games, can show you the cards you should hold, and also lists the return based on the cards you keep. Then, as you improve, you can turn the hints off, and it will keep track of your expected return, and give a log of your errors.
     
  3. Happygirl21

    Happygirl21 Low-Roller

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    Hi there,
    This is a good start, thank you!
    Let me ask, I understand there are several "types" of VP games, I would not even know what to look for. The only thing I can draw to mind is something like Jacks or better, maybe....???
    Also, what kind of "buy-in" and normal bet range would I even want to start with? I feel like . 25 games are what I have seen most often, but then I think you play several credits at a time. I am telling you, I am truly clueless,lol.
     
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  4. thecarve

    thecarve Misanthrope

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    sabre Low-Roller

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  6. Joe

    Joe VIP Whale

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    VP. Welcome to the world of gambling crack addiction. :evillaugh
     
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  7. Uranium 235

    Uranium 235 Tourist

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    Welcome Happygirl

    VP is indeed a very addictive game; especially if you get a Royal Flush early in your 'career'. I like game because it doesn't take your money in a flash and every win is 'unexpected' unlike BJ where you're sometimes very confident of collecting only to have the dealer turn a six-card 21. Another person on another forum explained this heartache much better than I have but I have basically turned my back on BJ.

    Getting back to VP, I have taken the approach of mastering one of the games before looking at the others. That one game is Jacks or Better (abbreviated to JoB). The purists will tell you that other types of VP are better in play and pay but JoB is the 'vanilla' game and a good entry point. All the links the previous folks have provided give good advice including a basic system on what to hold etc.

    Bon courage
     
  8. bluesdude

    bluesdude Low-Roller

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    I believe JoB is the foundation of all other VP games. Learn how to play JoB first and then move on to Bonus Poker (BP). Master the strategies of these two first and then move on to other games. You may want to read posts from Tringlomane, Royal Flusher and others as they are extremely thorough and great sources of information on Video Poker.Tring has a very comprehensive sticky thread of VP games in Vegas.
     
  9. CJ's

    CJ's Low-Roller

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    Dont do it :nono: once your bitten by VP theres no going back :evillaugh
    Your looking at years of practice :cry: and you will always be wondering if your play is where it should be
    That being said hope you get many RF's :thumbsup:
     
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  10. irishdave

    irishdave VIP Whale

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    And don't ever, ever play Super Times Pay (STP or DSTP). It is the evil drug your parents warned you about!

    OK, seriously, learn Jacks or Better (JoB) strategy first. It's the simplest and lowest volatility, which simply means not too many big wins, but enough little wins to keep you going for quite a while. You can use the same strategy on Bonus Poker (BP) and Bonus Poker Deluxe (BPD). BP is still a relatively low volatility game and has quite a few places on the strip that you can still find 98% returns. BP gives you a higher return on 4 of a kind, with a bit of a downgrade for full house and flush.

    BPD is creeping up in volatility, but there's this really cool oversized game in Aria with DSTP....oh, wait, don't go there!!!

    Always bet 5 credits because you get a bonus on the royal; it pays 4000 credits on max bet vs what would be 1250 credits. There are many places that have 1c and 5c multiple play machines (up to 100 lines) that you can actually dial down to one line of play...cheap practice, and you still get free drinks! The downside to these is the payables are generally poor, but since you're not risking much, it's a great way to get comfortable with the game.

    Biggest thing is learn the strategy and practice, practice, practice. You can also print out a strategy card and use it in the casino, highly recommended especially after a few drinks!

    Good luck!
     
  11. Royal Flusher

    Royal Flusher Savvy Gambler

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    This exactly.

    Learning Jacks is a great starting point, and will teach you tons, including hand values.

    Get yourself a training website or app or program (I use WinPoker for the iPhone and computer).

    An excellent primer on the whole world of playing VP in casinos can be found in Linda Boyd's book Video Poker Edge
    https://books.google.ca/books/about/The_Video_Poker_Edge.html?id=lHoCAAAACAAJ&redir_esc=y&hl=en

    Also highly recommend Jean Scott's Frugal Gambler.

    https://www.amazon.ca/The-Frugal-Gambler-Jean-Scott/dp/0929712420?ie=UTF8&*Version*=1&*entries*=0


    And yes, always, always, always bet max coins.
     
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  13. Happygirl21

    Happygirl21 Low-Roller

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    Great another vice... just what I need! lol

    I would be curious as to how many RF's a VP player could expect in their career...hmmm.

    A dealer 6 card 21 is a true heartbreak for sure, and rarely happens on the players side of the table, ( at least for me) go figure!!!

    I guess 9 days isn't much time to explore VP before heading to LV but all the info, particularly the JoB as a starting point is great and the links, too! I quickly looked at the Nickel-Options link by Trig, looks I have quite a bit of reading and learning ahead of me.

    As always, thanks a bunch! You guys are great! Hopefully, I'll have a TR with something exciting to report in it!
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    irishdave VIP Whale

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    Biggest basic strategy tip...hold a pair of low cards (2 thru 10) instead of holding a single face card. Seems counterintuitive to most folks.
     
  15. tringlomane

    tringlomane STP Addicted Beer Snob

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    The odds of hitting a royal is roughly 1 in 40,000. So someone playing 400 hands an hour should get a Royal every 100 hours on average. Real VP addicts could have hundreds in their lifetime. Especially if they play multi-line games because you have many more hands per hour dealt to you. I have ten, but I play less than most people might think here. But one was dealt while playing six hands of pennies...meh. So five moments of Royal Flushes. Looking at the data from pics on my phone, I'm hoping to get about one Royal per year.

    Yes, many games available, but as a novice, I would probably only worry about three games.

    If you are looking for your money to last awhile...play games where 2 pair pay 2 for 1.
    Jacks or Better (JoB)
    Bonus (BP) (I would usually play this over JoB unless JoB is 9 for 1 for the full house and 6 for 1 for the flush)
    Both of these games have similar strategies.

    And if you're looking to gamble, play the most popular game.
    Double Double Bonus (DDB).
    This strategy is a bit more complicated though.

    I have some strategy links in my sticky.

    And yes, as others have said, you usually need to bet five credits to get the benefit of a sizable Royal Flush jackpot. I But since you need to bet 5 for the bigger royal payout, a 25c bartop typically costs $1.25 a hand. A nickel machine 25c a hand. For quarters it's not uncommon to just start off with a $20 (16 max bets). But if hands don't go your way, that $20 may not last very long. The slow speed setting (if available) is your friend if you want your money to last longer. ;)

    And holding pairs even if you have multiple face cards. This was the biggest mistake my g/f would make when first starting out by far. She would ignore the fact that pairs lead to trips or quads easier.
     
  16. wccan

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    Welcome to a fun new world in the casino of your choice! I can't argue with any of the advice here, but practice is very important, but the thing everyone here seems to lose sigh of is there is a tremendous amount of luck involved just like ANY casinos game. I have had one machine spit out four of a kind (4OAK) 5-6 times in an hour and a half and have gone hours and a couple of thousand dollars across numerous machines and gotten one 4OAK. I strongly believe that having near perfect play on something like DDB will simply give you a bit of edge when it comes to how fast your bank roll depletes. It will not replace luck. You will see countless hands that are "perfect play" and you will get nothing. Other times you hold a simple pair and boom, 4OAK and a kicker. If you study the various forums where people post their 4OAK and Royals and you will see the vast majority of them are pure luck. Not perfect strategy. So, practice, practice l have fun and hope for luck like in any other game. If you are lucky, your Bank Roll will last long enough for some good or great stuff to happen. You will be very happy when it does whether you perfectly played a hand or got dealt something good. Both are satisfying and imho, much more sustaining than slots and there is the satisfaction there is some skill mixes with the results. Enjoy! Oh, and one final thing, I, like everyone else on here like the best pay table I can find, but u have had many many wins and many jackpots on payables that were far from the best, but we're at a place I am staying and having fun. They are important, but not everything. Luck is important no matter what the pay table is.