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Theo - those new players looking for comps

Discussion in 'Comps' started by luvvp, Jul 7, 2012.

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  1. luvvp

    luvvp Tourist

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    Do people not realize when they say they have $xxx amount to spend a day it's not your daily bankroll but how long that bankroll lasts, cycling your money.

    I've played mostly vp for years and it can be very volitile. You can throw hundreds in a machine and get little action. You can also put a hundred in a machine and it could last for hours.

    It's coin in for machine players x hrs played x days. Many people I know concentrate one days play to keep their theo high.

    Let's say you have 3 day stay. If you play everyday with your card, your play will be devided by 3. Say you play alot one day but only an hour each day after, this will dilute the good day.

    So many times I see people comment about this and was just wondering. I hope I explained this and not be to confusing.

    One last thing, ' Don't play for comps '!!!!
     
  2. Ike

    Ike Low-Roller

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    It's not just about ADT. Trip theo, and actual loss also will play major roles in what types of comps you will receive. ADT is important, but certainly isn't the only factor that dictates what you will receive.
     
  3. nostresshere

    nostresshere Mr. Anti Debit Card

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    Or said another way. They track how much you bet. They could care less if it is your money, or their money. Actually, anytime you win, it is now YOUR money.

    It is not what you won or lost. How much did you bet, in total.

    For examples, start with $100 of your money and no more. Play a $1 slot machine. In very rare instances will the money put into play be $100. You will have some little wins along the way, and keep playing. Your play could be anywhere from $100 to thousands. All depends how long you keep it going.
     
  4. JillyFromPhilly

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    At higher levels, size of LOC/FM/actual losses will make a slight impact - and used to make a much bigger impact - but yeah, anymore it mostly boils down to your theo - but I think the "per trip" basis is probably equally or more important than ADT - I mean if you come out for a week but play 20 hours on the first day & none the rest of the trip, you will still get the same theo & comps as if you played 4 hours each of the five days.

    At games of skill like BJ & VP, some casinos will factor in your skill level when determining what HA they use to rate your play at.
     
  5. Bruinfan1

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    Regarding actual loss vs. theo: In your experience, would it be fair to say that theo always impacts your offers, but actual has some (lots?) of impact on comps received from a host during your stay or as you check out? Assuming your offer wasn't RFB or an RFL where there's some variability in your offer in the first place?

    For example, if I'm $100/hand x 4 hours and I ask for a couple of show tickets, is the fact* that I'm up likely to deny/delay my comp request; the fact* that I'm down more likely to comp my request?

    *assuming host knows you're winning/losing at a table game
     
  6. CaptainJack

    CaptainJack Low-Roller

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    It's important to note that all casinos don't work the same way when it comes to ADT/theo/trip etc. Of course, you'll never get the casino to tell you exactly how they calculate ADT, but back when CET had the backdoor hole in their website, a lot of us got some very valuable information. At CET, any coin-in or use of comps counts as a triggered day or trip. If you are at a CET property for 3 days and you register activity on your card (via play or via using comps) on all three days, no matter how heavy or light you played on any individual day will be divided by the 3 days you were present.

    One point of disagreement among some CET players is whether that final check-out day counts against you or not. If you're in a comped room, technically you are using a comp, but if you do not play that final morning and you don't use comps, you may not trigger a day in their system. My opinion is it does, but some others may disagree that it doesn't. Either way, at a CET property, playing a little everyday or a lot on one day really doesn't make too much of a difference if you're staying on-property. If you are staying at another property, say MGM, and you want to get your ADT up at CET, then playing a lot one day and not setting foot on the property any other day is the best way to do it.

    Meanwhile, at MGM, it is not per day. You're judged per trip. Your first coin-in starts a trip...your coin-in over the next 5-7 days (unsure of the lapse duration needed to close a trip at MGM to be honest) counts towards that trip. In this case, playing light one day and heavy the next does not count against you. What I like about MGM is if I have a day-trip to Red Rock Canyon for the day, I can take a day off from gambling mid-trip and not hurt my theo. For locals, MGM works out better than CET. If I were to play on a Tuesday, and then come back on a Friday and only go to dinner and not play, it does not count as a new trip.

    I don't have much info on Wynn, but Natedogg mentioned in his TR that your trip is open for 7 days.

    Actual loss vs. theoretical loss is valid in discretionary comps. The casinos are largely moving away from discretionary comps in favor of banked comp systems. At CET properties, discretionary comps (comps from hosts) only kick in when your Reward Credits hit 0. Yes, actual loss does factor in when it exceeds theo. At MGM, hosts still have some room to hand out discretionary comps, but not as much as before since Express Comps take up some of what used to be in that bucket. At Wynn, its still all discretionary. Your best chance for a comp based on your actual loss is probably at Wynn.
     
  7. luvvp

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    I don't play table games to often so I really don't know.

    I do know that descretionary comps aren't written as freely as they use to, like CaptainJack said, most often they use all your reward credits first before a discretionary comp will be considered.

    I myself haven't used a Host in years. I plan all my trips through marketing in which I get more offers than I can ever use.

    Maybe someone can answer your question that deals with a Host at your level of play.
     
  8. LV_Bound

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    No they don't.
    People don't start going to Vegas and immediately know all the ins and outs about Resort Fees, Comps and to avoid Circus Circus and Excalibur. :wink2:

    There are new people joining the board each day and do a lot of reading. There are numerous posts about people getting free rooms, show tickets, free play.....
    Without knowing how it works they are posting to find out the answer. Little do they know its not an exact science. If everyone was able to answer their own questions they wouldn't need to post. :thumbsup:
     
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    Yes, if you took a bad beating a host has the ability to maybe give you a bit more to ease the pain. If you go to the Player's Club directly they are only allowed to go based solely by a formula of the coin in.
     
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