1. Welcome to VegasMessageBoard
    It appears you are visiting our community as a guest.
    In order to view full-size images, participate in discussions, vote in polls, etc, you will need to Log in or Register.

The Comp Offer trigger trip....Help me plan it..

Discussion in 'Comps' started by chonglosaxon, Aug 20, 2014.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. chonglosaxon

    chonglosaxon MIA

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2013
    Messages:
    486
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    40
    So..... I am planning a trip for the Fall and was wondering how you would play to trigger as many GOOD offers from properties as possible, that way I can double book in the future, comparison shop, etc......

    I have RFB already book at property A and my average bet will be 1000 at each pace that I go to .......Assuming that I give the property I am staying at their 4hr/day where else would you play and for how long to trigger offers for next time???
     
  2. firstkill

    firstkill High-Roller

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2013
    Messages:
    805
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    30
    id just do cosmo/aria/Bellagio/wynn
    ( id add V/P there also but I have terrible luck and always get my ass handed to me )

    the rest I just wouldn't want to stay at if I had good offers from above. except for the upgraded places mgm skyloft/mansion but the rest id pass.

    just a personal preference
     
  3. PayTriple

    PayTriple The Cucumber King

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2014
    Messages:
    4,018
    Location:
    Massachusetts
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    26
    You should also consider adding Planet Hollywood, a CET property, which is 5 minutes from the Cosmo.
    I once did a trip where I triple booked at the Aria, Cosmo, and PHo.
    Since they were 3 different companies (MGM, Cosmo, and CET), I got three different offers and bonus chips etc!
    And since the walk between the three was short, I ddn't have to waste time in limo/taxi lines getting from one casino to another.

    If you do this, I recommend staying in the East Tower of the Cosmo, which is closest to the Strip and will save you 5 to 7 minutes in walking/elevator time compared to staying in the West tower. Those saved minutes add up, over the course of a trip, and gives you more time to play to earn comps.
     
  4. CosmoGold

    CosmoGold Low-Roller

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2014
    Messages:
    127
    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    18
    East tower is the better of the two towers any way.
     
  5. sindustry

    sindustry VIP Whale

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2013
    Messages:
    3,172
    I say put in solid play at the property you like the most. The following properties seem to only require very minimal play to earn "teaser" offers: Cosmo, Venetian, TI. CET properties also seem to not require much to get upfront basic rooms comped. If you plan to keep your avg bet the same at all props, you should have no trouble getting comped suite offers at any prop you play at. I do not believe you need to put in 4 hours at each property though, so just concentrate at the one you like the most or are having the most luck at.
     
  6. PayTriple

    PayTriple The Cucumber King

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2014
    Messages:
    4,018
    Location:
    Massachusetts
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    26
    Another thought: The Hard Rock Hotel and Casino has some unique and interesting high roller suites, including one with a bowling alley right in the suite. Another one that I have stayed in has a room with a stripper pole AND an adjacent jacuzzi. (I can share stories about that trip in another post.....on second thought, no I can't!)
    So if you want a change of pace once in a while, or have 20-30 yo friends/family that would appreciate what the Hard Rock has to uniquely offer in the way of suites, it might be worth checking it out.

    After all, most of these high-roller penthouses are quite similar, after a while.
    For me the irony is that all I need in Vegas is a clean place to nap and shower, since I spend most of my waking hours gambling or eating.
    On one 4 night, 3 day trip (Thurs night to Sun night) I had 36 hours of play, out of 72 hours total in Vegas.
    (Think there's something wrong with me?)
     
    Last edited: Aug 20, 2014
  7. chonglosaxon

    chonglosaxon MIA

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2013
    Messages:
    486
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    40
    Here is what I was thinking, since this will more than likely be a 3-4 night trip.

    Day 1 3 hours at Home base, 2 hours at Caesars, 2 hours at Cosmo
    Day 2 3 hours at Home base, 2 hours at Bellagio, 2 hours at Cromwell
    Day 3 3 hours at Home Base, 2 hours at Wynn, 2 hours at V/P

    If applicable
    Day 4 3 hours home base, 2 hours PH, 2 hours MGM or Aria


    I will get the other 4-8 hours needed at the home base just playing hit and run sessions. I think this way I should generate some nice teasers RFB offfers, Freeplay offers and tournament invites that I can take advantage of i the future where I can crossbook, gt the freepay and still meet the requirements but stay in whatever location I wanted to for variety. I am an advantage sports bettor which does me no good on comps but can help fuel my BR during trips so I do like to spread things out over more than one location. On table games, I am a hit and run player preferably, I dont really like marathon sessions.

    Thoughts? Critiques? Suggestions?
     
  8. PayTriple

    PayTriple The Cucumber King

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2014
    Messages:
    4,018
    Location:
    Massachusetts
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    26
    Sound like you have a solid plan.
    You might want to contact your hosts at the non-Home base places, to let them know you are planning to swing by for some drop-in play, and to meet them in person. This way, if they can see you play in person, they might be willing to increase whatever base offers the "Corporation" computers ends up offering you. It is one thing to read on a computer screen "$1000 per hand/hour", but quite a different visceral reaction when they see you putting the yellow chips in play.

    Once, I tried to impress my host who had set me up nicely on a trip. So after he took me and friends to dinner, we all went to the High Limit area and found an empty BJ table, and I took out a $75,000 marker. Normally, I only take out $5,000 to $10,000 at a time, but I wanted to impress the guy, so I took out my entire marker limit. And normally, I would only have bet $250 to $500 per hand, just to see how the shoe was, and to start the trip slowly, and not risk getting tapped out in an hour.
    But I really wanted to impress the guy, so I bet their limit, $5,000, on the first hand. I was willing to risk losing $5,000 or about 10 units, to start the trip, in order to make an impression. I figured if I lost, I had plenty of time and bankroll to catch up.
    I get a pair of 7's, and the dealer shows a 6. I am still counting my chips at this time, to make sure I got all $75K, so I am a bit distracted, and a text comes in from another buddy asking where we were, so I have to step away for a second to take care of that.
    But I had to split, didn't I ?! Now I'm in for $10, 000, which is what I had budgeted losing in the first 24 hours, not in the first hand! But I had to do it, right?
    First hand, I get a 3! So now for the first hand I have a 10 (7+3).... against a 6 showing from the dealer. Crap! I push another $5,000 to double down on that hand....had to do it, right? Dealer gives me a 4. Crap, crap crap! I now have a 14 against a 6, with $10,000 on the line for that hand. And $15,000 at risk overall...yikes!
    The second hand, I get a 2! So now I have a 9 (7+2)....Crap crap crap...I push another $5,000 to double down on this hand...had to do it, it...maybe? right?
    Dealer gives me a 6...for a total of 15. F-me!
    I am sweating now, with $20,000 at risk, just on the FIRST hand of the trip! And I have a 14 and 15, against a dealer showing 6.
    Well...Dealer turns over a face card, and so he has 16.
    The next card....... a 10! He busts with 26, and I WIN $20,000 on the very first hand!
    I started running around and screaming and high-fiving and chest bumping etc.
    I knew right then that my trip was made, since I knew could "churn" $20,000 to generate enough play to cover my whole trip, AND my host got to witnessed me betting $20,000 on a single hand, so he knew I came to play.
    You should have seen the look on his face: like he had swallowed an elephant.
    (In retrospect, by the time the dealer drew his card, the count was positive).
     
  9. sindustry

    sindustry VIP Whale

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2013
    Messages:
    3,172

    Honestly, I really do not think going to that extreme is neccessary. A onetime snapshot of max play does not solidify a host/player relationship...at least not in my view. Of course, I have never done that, so I have no personal experience to compare the effects, so it is just my opinion.

    Now, as far as taking the shot at max bet...hell yeah! It worked out awesomely and I would have been running around screaming as well! Congrats!

    I would max bet maybe once in a blue moon, but it would only be for the thrill, never to make an impression...especially with my luck...i tend to always lose when suits hover around me.
     
  10. PayTriple

    PayTriple The Cucumber King

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2014
    Messages:
    4,018
    Location:
    Massachusetts
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    26
    I agree, that a onetime snap shot is only that: a one timer.
    But the problem with a sterile stat like "$1000 avg/hand" is that it doesn't convey how willing that player is to hit the max limit.
    Of course you have to put in the high avg bets and the time, but he got to see that I was willing to put in a chocolate chip right off the bat, which had to make some impression.

    In addition, a host told me once that they are aware when a player is playing big only if he is way ahead, versus playing big from behind or even.
    These seemingly little things are apparently important when the "hosts" have their weekly meetings to allocate the best of their suites to the players who are coming in that weekend. Your host needs to actually advocate for you (it is in their best interest to have THEIR players come in, since their income is tied to the theoretical that their players generate), and it makes their job easier if they can say, "I actually saw him put $20K on his first hand, right off the bat", so that you can keep the room that was promised to you. Let's face it, it's a market driven environment, and if a bigger fish wanted my promised suite for the weekend, they would bump me, unless my host had ammunition to keep me there. That is why on many of these offers, they don't specify the room type that you will get.

    Anyway, great fun!
     
    Last edited: Aug 20, 2014
  11. firstkill

    firstkill High-Roller

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2013
    Messages:
    805
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    30
    I wouldn't bother with multiple CET properties. One host can cross book and offer free play at any place. I spoke with Hunter about this when we met. unless you are just looking for a marketing flier then you can spread out at CET. But if you want a host connection, id rather just find a good host and start a relationship with them

    In the short run, multiple marketing offers are better. In the long run, if you are a degenerate like me, a host will yield better results.

    Fk
     
  12. VegasChic-

    VegasChic- VIP Whale

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2014
    Messages:
    1,535
    Location:
    Vancouver, BC
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    21
    If the goal here is to get the best offers possible, I'm wondering if the way you are doing it may spread your play a little thin. $1000 a hand average is great, but 2 hours in an entire trip to one casino doesn't at all give any reflection of the total volume you are playing. You may want to consider something like home base for the few hours as listed, but then stick to one other brand otherwise the rest of the trip, even if it's different properties. For instance, You could do Cosmo as a home base, then give the overflow to CET....PH, Cromwell. Caesars palace, all on different nights. Next trip you could do Cosmo base, but then do Mlife for overflow....Bellagio, Aria, MGM etc.
    How many trips a year are you planning? It was suggested to me to spread my play between properties, but do it more on a per trip basis rather than per day. Each trip you can change who you give the overflow play to and see what offers come in. If you are still bored and want to walk around Vegas, that play could be good for the hit-and-run which may not contribute too much to what triggers the offers.
    At that level I'm sure you will get good offers no matter what!
    Good luck!

    - - - Updated - - -

    If the goal here is to get the best offers possible, I'm wondering if the way you are doing it may spread your play a little thin. $1000 a hand average is great, but 2 hours in an entire trip to one casino doesn't at all give any reflection of the total volume you are playing. You may want to consider something like home base for the few hours as listed, but then stick to one other brand otherwise the rest of the trip, even if it's different properties. For instance, You could do Cosmo as a home base, then give the overflow to CET....PH, Cromwell. Caesars palace, all on different nights. Next trip you could do Cosmo base, but then do Mlife for overflow....Bellagio, Aria, MGM etc.
    How many trips a year are you planning? It was suggested to me to spread my play between properties, but do it more on a per trip basis rather than per day. Each trip you can change who you give the overflow play to and see what offers come in. If you are still bored and want to walk around Vegas, that play could be good for the hit-and-run which may not contribute too much to what triggers the offers.
    At that level I'm sure you will get good offers no matter what!
    Good luck!
     
    Last edited: Aug 20, 2014
  13. CaptainJack

    CaptainJack Low-Roller

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2009
    Messages:
    468
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    24
    If your goal is to get the best offers possible...just lose big. No need to spread your action around...just chase your losses at each property in a single day. Vegas loves losers...your stakes won't get you much at high-end places...unless you lose. Drop $10-20k at each place and you'll get good offers.

    Won't be worth it...but this is why it's never wise to chase comps.
     
  14. nostresshere

    nostresshere Mr. Anti Debit Card

    Joined:
    May 4, 2009
    Messages:
    11,112
    Location:
    TN
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    19
    Really.

    You already have RFB somewhere?

    Tell us where that RFB is at.

    Where else have you played in the past and have history? (you show 40 trips to Vegas)

    What sort of offers are you getting right now?

    Avg bet is $1,000?

    What sort of bankroll are you going with?
     
  15. chonglosaxon

    chonglosaxon MIA

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2013
    Messages:
    486
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    40

    I can get RFB at any property.

    I have played at all of the nice properties on the strip, I play hit n run

    I get RFB and tickets now (fights,concerts,tournaments)

    I am looking for more Freeplay to hit and run multiple properties on 1 trip

    Bankroll avg is 125-180k


    Whats your avg bet? Bankroll? Where do you stay? Offers?
     
  16. chonglosaxon

    chonglosaxon MIA

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2013
    Messages:
    486
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    40
    Losing is not my plan, overall on my trips to Vegas, I am a plus player. Granted that is more due to sportsbetting than tables obviously but I am a hit n run player. There are only a couple places where I show any substantial long term loss at the tables. I'm pretty sure this plays into the lack of freeplay offers I get. Like you said, I think comps have more to do with are you a loser or not and less with avg bets and theos.
     
  17. Kickin

    Kickin Flea

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2012
    Messages:
    3,414
    If you're looking for freeplay in the form of chips you should forget about the MGM properties. You may get some slot freeplay but probably nothing too meaningful as a table player.

    From recent posts it sounds like Cosmo gives considerable freeplay and people have had good results asking hosts to bump up the amounts. Keep in mind those are single bet chips though, not play until you lose.

    I think you'd be better off concentrating on one or two properties outside of your home base instead of spreading yourself so thin all over the strip and potentially not getting anything from anyone.
     
  18. PayTriple

    PayTriple The Cucumber King

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2014
    Messages:
    4,018
    Location:
    Massachusetts
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    26
    The Hard Rock also gives free play offers, and so does CET, but KickinChicken is right, the MGM never gives freeplay.
    I can give you the name of my host at the Hard Rock, just PM me.
    With my level of play, about 1/3 of yours, I routinely get $1000 per trip in freeplay, but split into $250/day increments, at the Hard Rock.
     
  19. dutchvelvet

    dutchvelvet VIP Whale

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2014
    Messages:
    1,123
    Location:
    Wisconsin
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    4
    I'd go to Downtown Grand with your whole bankroll and see if you can buy the casino.
     
  20. RiddickBull

    RiddickBull VIP Whale

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2012
    Messages:
    1,672
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    20
    Cosmo and V/P have been generous with table promo chips for me. They are only one time use as stated previously.

    At 1k per hand, you should be treated very well at any properties.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.