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Table Games Texas Hold'em table games

Discussion in 'Table Games' started by grosx2, Apr 4, 2013.

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  1. grosx2

    grosx2 VIP Whale

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    I've been reading up on various games, looking for some new ones to try (I usually play 3 Card or Crazy 4, with a little Mississippi Stud from time to time). I knew I had seen a table version of Texas Hold'em in casinos, but never paid much attention. Looking it up online, I now see that there are TWO versions: Ultimate Texas Hold'em and Texas Hold-em Bonus.

    Can both of these games be found in most Strip casinos, or is one significantly more popular than the other? How about house edge? Judging by the numbers on the Wizard's site, it appears to have better odds than some of the other carny games. What do you guys think about these games?
     
  2. uli_1515

    uli_1515 Low-Roller

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    In my area we have Texas shoot out. But I've never seen it in Vegas. Like you said Carney but just take them expensive entertainment and say what ever on the odds. After 5-10 drinks these games are the most exciting.
     
  3. grosx2

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    I was just at Paris a couple weeks ago, and they did have a Texas Hold'em table, not sure if it was Ultimate or Bonus though.
     
  4. gpenguins67

    gpenguins67 High-Roller

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    personally I have never had any luck at those hold'em games. The only times I've played them is if I was up a few hundred from other games and I just seem to be on horrible losing streaks when I hit those tables. I think its similar to mississippi stud where you need to have the bankroll to ride out the rough times, but when you get a hot streak it can payoff decent.
    Anyways... i know I've seen ultimate holdem at MGM . They only have 1 or 2 tables open. They were positioned on the end of the banks of tables.
     
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    Good to know that it's at MGM, as I'm probably switching from TR to Mlife for my next trip. As I said, I'm not sure which variation of the game was at Paris but if you put a gun to my head, I would guess that it was Ultimate. Perhaps Bonus is the more obscure of the two?
     
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    topcard Older than the Stardust!

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    On my most recent trip (early March), I noticed that the DT casinos have replaced their 'Bonus' hold-em tables with 'Ultimate' tables. (Fremont, 4Queens, GG...perhaps others too).

    That can't be good....haven't checked the wizard, but when things like that happen, it typically means a higher house advantage with the "newer" game/rules. :grrr:
     
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    Just checked, Wizard lists the following:

    Ultimate
    -Ante/Play HE = 2.19%
    -Trips Bet HE = 3.50%
    -Element of Risk = 0.53%

    Bonus
    -Ante/Play HE = 2.04%
    -Bonus Bet HE = 8.54%
    -Element of Risk = 0.53%

    Pretty similar, except much better odds on the Trips side bet than on the Bonus one. These are pretty good odds compared to the "bonus payout" bets on other carny games as well (pairs plus in 3 card, queens up in crazy 4, etc). Those bets tend to carry a house edge in the 5-8% range.
     
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    topcard Older than the Stardust!

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    I'm glad to be wrong in this case!!
     
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    There is another called "World Poker Tour" which is similar but has two side bets (hole cards and final hand). I have played all three and I the Ultimate one is my favorite. Maybe it's because I actually won money on that one!
     
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    My wife & I played Ultimate many times throughout February. We loved it, and she won a lot. Me?... not so much, but it was fun. We mainly played at M, Sunset Station, Suncoast and Orleans. The only Strip casino we were in was NYNY. They had TH-Bonus ... not Ultimate. We didn't care for that version as much.
     
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    Do they have one that also has the bet for 3 card poker? Here in Michigan some have the Ultimate with the 3 card poker & the bonus. Did not see that out there last year. Anyone see it?
     
  12. tringlomane

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    Also I think UTH is easier to play than THB as well.

    Preflop
    Raise 4X:
    Pair of 3s or higher
    Any Ace (A2o+) (o=offsuit; s=suited)
    Any Suited King (K2s+)
    K5o+
    Q8o+
    Q6s+
    JTo
    J8s+

    Check all others.

    Flop (worst approximate strategy): (If checking preflop)
    Raise 2X:
    Making Middle pair or better with a hole card(s)
    Making Bottom pair and your other hole card is higher than bottom pair rank.
    Any flush and straight combo draw.
    4th best possible flush draw or better.
    An Open-Ended Straight draw Jack high or better.
    ...I might be missing some other obvious ones.

    Check all others.

    River: (If checking preflop, flop)
    Raise 1X:
    If not playing the board and 21 or less different cards can beat you.
    If playing the board and 18 or less different cards can beat you.

    Fold all others.

    Example:
    Board:
    AJT65

    You have 97:
    3 A's 4 K's 4 Q's 3 J's 3 T's 3 6's and 3 5's beat you for 23 cards can beat you, so thats a fold.
     
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    I would have folded my 9-7 after the flop, (unless, of course, they were suited and I had 4 to flush, or if the flop had been the 6-5-T).
     
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    In Ultimate Texas Hold'em, you are always allowed to "check" any hand until the river. This is a major difference between this game and Texas Hold'em Bonus.

    http://wizardofodds.com/games/ultimate-texas-hold-em/

    When the hand is strong enough to raise (4X preflop; 2X flop; 1X river), then all your decisions end as well. You're in for the showdown. It's important to maximize your preflop opportunities since you are allowed to wager more when less community cards are dealt.

    97 on an AJT 65 board would work like this: check preflop, check flop, fold river.

    but if you had 97 on a A94 48 board, you should: check preflop, raise 2X on flop. And hope you beat the dealer, of course... :)
     
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    don't I feel silly...tells you how long it's been since I've played that I would forget that.
     
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    I played Ultimate at Green Valley for several years, playing ONLY the Trips bonus..and didn't do bad at that...then one day a dealer says I don't think you are allowed to do that and she looks it up in some handbook and it says you have to play the ante & play bets too..so I stopped playing it there. One of the other places they have it is LVH and they kick my ass anytime I play there.

    First time I played Ultimate was at Harrah's Rincon in California with a full table at 4AM. I was up $500 in less than a half hour; getting bonus hand after bonus hand and pissing off the rest of the table who were getting squat...Never done that well again.
     
  17. wrxrob

    wrxrob High-Roller

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    these games are hit & run type games at best.

    The local casino had a guy betting near the table max, and hit for about $7,000 recently. The dealer had to call the pit boss over, and the pit couldn't seem to believe someone actually ever won on that game :peace:

    I think UTH and THB are just excuses for non-poker casinos to advertise that they have texas hold 'em. It ropes in many of the unsuspecting novices with the marketing.
     
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    Texas hold m

    I like the texas hold m game the best
    I also play sometimes crazy 4 as not evry casino has the texas hold m ( dont like the ultimate so much)
    in my opinion is that if you follow the rules on these game you have the best odds to break even or have a lil bit of profit
    And yeah ofcourse its gambling so luck is involved but still
    I broke even last time (playing 2,5 weeks) on these games
    ( won with reg pokertournaments and lost on slots which i quitted)
     
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