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Table Games Tables for Beginners

Discussion in 'Table Games' started by RyanM8704, Oct 29, 2014.

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  1. RyanM8704

    RyanM8704 Tourist

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    Hey all,

    Where are the best spots to play tables games, primarily BJ, if you're just a beginner? Something not so intimidating...I played BJ the first time I went to Vegas, but that was at Circus Circus, the dealer was an Asian lady and she was nice and helpful. I need to learn/remember the etiquette, and just get comfortable with the games. I am staying at Aria this time around, but am wondering where there are some low limit tables, and areas where it would feel comfortable to play.
     
  2. ajp

    ajp High-Roller

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    Honestly on strip you wont find much in the low limits area. Maybe a $5 in the morning at Excal or Harrah's. With that said just sit at a table and tell everyone you are new so please bear with me. I am sure they wont have any problem helping you out.
     
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    topcard Older than the Stardust!

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    Ryan...low-limit blackjack on the strip is almost all 6:5 now.
    You don't really want to play that game.
    Head back down to Circus - (I think they still have $5 3:2), or catch a 3 minute cab ride from Aria to the Gold Coast.
    You will find $5 3:2 double-deck pitch with DAS at Gold Coast - and much closer to Aria than Circus.
    Go in the mornings and you'll find a very friendly, low-pressure environment...not to mention, some of the very best blackjack rules in Vegas (for under $25/hand).
    Good luck!
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    play in the morning when you're the only one at the table.

    let the dealer know you're new and they will help you out.

    he's going to spend way more on the cab than the lost EV at 6:5 on a $5 table.

    aside from the fact that he's learning and even with the best rules he's going to make so many mistakes that lower his EV way beyond 6:5.
     
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    Let's take a look at that, assuming 6 hours of play, flat-betting $5/hand.
    Assuming he can even find $5 blackjack at Aria, the lost money for being underpaid on blackjack would be about $2.20 per hour, or $13.20 for 6 hours play.
    Obviously, he can double that if the 6:5 Aria table is a $10 minimum.

    Now - does anyone really go to Vegas and just play at their hotel's casino for the entire trip? I doubt it.
    This guy is going to incur cab expense no matter where he goes.
    So, I consider that a given.
    He could play blackjack or any number of other games at another strip casino and the difference with Aria would basically be non-existent.
    At $5 or $10 a hand, he's looking at 6:5 for blackjack.

    I'm just trying to suggest that, if one wants to become comfortable with blackjack (again?), a $5 3:2, two-deck pitch game that allows DAS is preferable to anything else he'll find on the strip.
    Obviously, if he'd rather spend $10 for a cab to Harrah's or Bally's and run into the same 6:5 rules as Aria, he can do that.

    But there is no doubt that, assuming everything else is equal, he will realize more net money per hour (or lose less) at a 3:2 table versus a 6:5 table.

    So my question would be - Why NOT play $5 3:2 if you're going to leave Aria for another casino in any event?
     
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    I highly doubt he will be able to find $5 at Aria. I would suggest heading downtown. It is further than Gold Coast, but there is a lot more casinos around in case you find a dealer (as doubtful as it may be) who doesn't wanna help, leave and go next door. Also if you wanna try different games there is probably more of a variety.
     
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    My wife and I will be at Aria at the same time--I think it's going to become our go-to property. Not really low-limit, unfortunately. I'm hoping to find a $10 3:2 game there in the mornings.

    I like Gold Coast a lot and think it's worth a visit. As topcard says, the rules there are good. Cabbing is an option, as indicated. It's also close to Rio and Palms, the latter of which is good for VP.

    Or you could wander over to Bally's (if you're a fast walker, like me, you could be there in 20 minutes but of course there are lots of distractions along the way). If $10 is low enough for you, there's usually a game there (some are the awful 6:5, some are 3:2), and I've always found it friendly and non-intimidating. If not, or if you really want a $5 game, take the shuttle to Gold Coast. Or, walk a block east and play the $5 3:2 game at Ellis Island, where I first played.

    Have fun!
     
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    Aria has NO 6:5 blackjack games.

    But you will never find a $5 game there. $10 is their minimum for BJ, and that is only at slow times (morning, early afternoon).
     
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    I hate 6:5, but what I hate more is how people who are 3:2 soldiers hijack almost every blackjack thread.

    If you're just learning to play blackjack, at $5 a hand, go play at Casino Royale. You'll have lots of $5 options (switch, freebet, etc) and people play a lot looser there, so you won't be intimidated or feel pressure to make the "right move".
     
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    Ditto... which doesn't mean I (we) don't benefit from the wisdom and the knowledge behind it, but damn the "crusade" seems of little value.
     
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    Personally i'd give the Riviera a call or visit. They have a billboard on I-15 advertising $1 Blackjack tables 24/7.

    The Gold Coast is the LAST place I'd take a dealer's advice. First you better be able to speak chinese and, secondly, most of them are brand new dealers - Gold Coast is a revolving door for new chinese dealers. No insult intended, just fact. :)
     
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    Hooters - usually a $3 table going and they are friendly.
     
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    Well, let's just not bother educating someone who admits he's intimidated by the game and just let him play a game to his disadvantage and encourages casinos to spread 6:5. My not playing individually refusing to play 6:5 does nothing. I have no money and I have no influence. But if I tell as many I can to never, ever play 6:5 and why and they listen, then we move toward more people still having fun AND denying this advantage to the house. Sorry people feel expecting reasonable and balanced game rules is militant and pointless.
     
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    I am not taking sides I agree with you, but honestly most people at the major resorts never visit this site or others like this. They hop on a plane with money in they pocket and look to have fun. They see a party pit with half naked dancers, sit down and play bj without even looking at the felt. I made this mistake at the Flamingo party pit once. I got a BJ, I questioned the payout and then immediately got up and left.

    But the casino is in the money making business and players be damned. I do not think all the screaming will stop it, cause there will always be people in for a convention with money to burn.
     
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    Is this real? OR a scam, well kind of a scam. Cause at my local casino they advertised $3 BJ but required players to bet the side bet every hand as well. Which made it $4 and a game with a higher house edge
     
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    My son and his friends just recently played at the Riv and CC, so they could play $1 BJ... it fit their budgets and they had a lotta fun!
     
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    I bet it is! At that price the drinks are almost literally free! I am gonna look for that when I visit the north strip next time!
     
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    My understanding is that the $1 game at the Riv pays 1:1 for blackjack.
    Oh, and I'm not sure whether or not I'm a "3:2 soldier", but anytime a new or low-experience blackjack player asks for advice on the game - specifically citing "low limits" or "$5 tables", then I'm going to mention/warn about 6:5.
    I expect experienced players to already be smart enough to avoid such tables - and I also understand how a low or no-experience player could make the mistake of playing at one.
    I personally don't care - it's their money. But, as others have posted (here & elsewhere), if more players refused to play 6:5, casinos would eventually faze it out.
    An empty table with a high HA makes NO money for the casino. A full or nearly full 3:2 table will.
    6:5 only continues to "work" for the casinos precisely because people don't understand the impact...in their minds it's "Well, it doesn't matter that much. I hardly ever get blackjacks anyway".

    In a game that has (properly) a less-than-1% HA, allowing yourself to play one that allows the house OVER 1% is foolish or ignorant.
    If somebody who understands the math, but just doesn't care? Great! Have it. Enjoy!
    If somebody is ignorant of the impact? I think it is only courteous to inform them.
    So, I suppose I really am a "3:2 soldier" after all.
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    This. +1 It's all I'm ever really trying to say. Never telling people, once they are informed, how to play or what to do with their money.

    But wanker751 has a good point: Most of the people that need to be informed about this are people we can never reach. :(
     
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    Got my 2015 American Casino Guide yesterday. Say no to 6-5 games but most of us on this board would agree.
     
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