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Table Games Table Seating Rules?

Discussion in 'Table Games' started by ValerieJo, Oct 17, 2015.

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  1. ValerieJo

    ValerieJo Low-Roller

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    We were in Vegas a couple of weeks ago and took a little day trip down to Prim. We were in Whiskey Petes and decided to play 3 Card Poker. We walked up to the table and saw only one player sitting in the #3 or 4 chair. My husband and I started to sit in the #1 and 2 chairs, the man playing told us we had to move as he wanted the #1 chair and slid over as we were sitting down. The dealer encouraged the man to take the #1 seat and for us to move. We left and did not play.

    My question is, what is the rule in this situation? Is there one? Were we wrong to sit in empty seats? Should the man playing sat in the #1 seat to begin with before we even walked up.

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  2. Chuck2009x

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    By "rule," I think you're asking is there some law that says you can't get kicked out of your chair, and I doubt it.

    Sounds like the guy wanted to play alone, and the dealer wanted to accommodate him, simple as that.

    Pretty rude, to be sure, but it happens.
     
  3. Elf70

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    Did you see how much the guy was betting? I see this happen all the time for players betting close to the table max. The dealer will ask them if they want to switch seats when new players come to the table.
     
  4. BlacklabberMike

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    common courtesy is to ask the player at the table if he minds if you sit in.

    You apparently didn't, thus in my book, you were in the wrong.
     
  5. 63hearts

    63hearts Low-Roller

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    Really? I dunno. No doubt three card can be a game where hands can be "stolen" and get the dealer asking if he wants to move, but what are you gonna say if he declines you? Just because there's no one else at the table doesnt necessarily mean to its reserved. Especially if it's some nickle player. If it's in the middle of like dd bj totally, but tcp I sit my ass down before he knows I'm there and play unless he actually objects then I'll reassess from there, oh he's playing black or above and wants a seat ok I get it and would accomodate

    More often than normal t I would reply if you want seat one then sit in seat one
     
  6. natedog666

    natedog666 17 and 20 Expert

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    I think for these carny games if there's an open seat I just sit down. I've never had somebody say they wanted that spot after I've sat down. I think it is sort of a dick move since if he really wanted that spot he should have just sat there to begin with. Whether or not you wanted to accommodate him is your choice though.

    Although thinking this through as I'm typing I can foresee a scenario where you walk up to the table, haven't sat down yet and seems like your digging for money, the guy realizes his hot run of getting the first cards out is being jeopardized, grabs the first seat before you sit down....
     
  7. sailboat310

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    Sorry Nate...I won't do that to you anymore. Sniff sniff
     
  8. sindustry

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    I want to say there is an unwritten rule where existing players can make a seat change before new players get to sit down. Of course, it is common courtesy for the existing player to announce this before a new player actually sits down. When playing alone, it is just easier to sit in the middle, seat 3 or 4. It is easier to read the board card, easier to deal for the dealer, and makes for easier interaction between the player and dealer. I do not like to change seats at a table (weird superstition of mine), but if I am playing alone and do plan on shifting seats later, I will tell the dealer once I sit down that if anyone joins the game, I would like to move to seat 1.
     
  9. mephisto2000

    mephisto2000 Low-Roller

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    He played 3 card poker, not blackjack. Most casinos only have 1, sometimes 2 tables open. You never have to ask for permission to sit down at carney ganes.

    The player at the table was rude.
     
  10. mephisto2000

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    Carney game! I have never seen anybody play table max
     
  11. Elf70

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    I have. I saw a man playing $500 chips on each bet (Crazy 4 Poker) at Mandalay Bay in July. The dealer and pit boss asked him if he wanted to switch spots and take the first spot every time someone walked up to the table.

    Meaning- I have seen it not done it!
     
  12. sindustry

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    Table max on carny games are not that high. While I have never seen anyone play table max on carny games at a CET casino, I do regularly see it at mlife. I will occasionally play table max on High Card flush at Caesars or Ph, though. Carny games, depending on the game, usually deal out full hands in turn, so first seat will always get the first group of cards, no matter who sits in, or out. This of course can be a good thing, or bad thing, depending on which end of the streak you are on. In the grand scheme of things, sitting in first will not give the player an advantage, but it is certainly a favored spot to gamblers with "superstitions" (aka - a lot of us Asian gamblers).
     
  13. whitefox

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    I've haven't had this happen to me, although knowing that gambler superstitions are only limited to your imagination, this doesn't surprise me and would only mildly annoy me. Several times I've sat down at a 10 or 15 min BJ shoe game where one other player is playing and he'll say he's playing alone. If he's playing near the minimum or nowhere near the max I'll kindly ask the dealer if the table is reserved, and when they say no, then I sit down. If the shoe is nearly finished I'll wait until the shuffle. More times than not the previously solo player either leaves, or starts fuming and donks off all his checks. Either way he typically doesn't stick around very long.

    The scenario you describe is very common in full table poker games (like Texas Holdem) where many times I'll sit down and a seated player will claim the seat. It's usually seated players' prerogative to take open seats and it makes sense in poker because of positional advantage. Not as much on a carnie game like 3 Card.
     
  14. Aces and Eights

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    If there's an open seat, you shouldn't have to ask whether to take that seat. However, as far as etiquette goes, either wait for the next shoe or ask to be dealt in on the current shoe. I always wait for the next shoe. For three-card-poker there is no shoe, so just play in the next game. As far as table position, the original player should be sitting at position one if he wants the first set of cards. If he wants to play by himself, he should reserve a table for himself. He can't just decide on his own to take the table away from willing players.
     
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    There are definitely some crazy superstitions in the gambling world.

    Ring games are definitely where one most often runs into the "seat change" scenario.

    For casino table games, I'm a believer that if a solo player intends to change seats at a later time, whether it be to seat 1, or to his usual favorite seat, he should let the dealer know before anyone comes to the table. At the least be courteous. Seat jumping happens all the time at my local casinos, which is probably why I am so used to seeing it. I have only seen it a few times in Vegas, as there is usually plenty of open seats/tables. At the locals, oftentimes, you are stuck on the table you are playing on, since all the other carny tables are completely full.
     
  16. thecarve

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    I always ask, "mind if I join you?" But it's just a meaningless pleasantly like, "how ya doing?"

    Replying, "I want to play this shoe alone" makes you as big of a DB as the guy who wants to tell you all about his diabetic nerve pain and his wife's IBS when you make the mistake of asking "how ya doing?"

    The dude at the table was a prick, no doubt about it. But what are you going to do? Par for the course, unfortunately...
     
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    Lol...you just made me afraid to ask "how us doing?"
     
  18. topcard

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    This is probably unique to 3-card & UTH, but the #1 seat always gets the same sequence of cards out of the deck for each hand.
    Unlike other games (blackjack), where the hand is dealt one-at-a-time, in order - for 3-card (and UTH), you get the next 3 (or 2) cards from the deck.
    So, each position gets the same sequenced cards, in order.
    Yes - it is certainly your standard 'gamblers superstition' - but in 3-card, the #1 seat will always get the first three cards dealt, regardless of others joining or leaving the table. So, I can understand why a player (playing alone) might want that seat if others show up.

    When I join a 3-card table with 1-to-3 players there, I always ask about position, as in "Does anyone care whose cards I start getting?"
    On rare occasions, I actually run into a player who does care, and I always accommodate him (or her)... but most of the time, nobody cares.

    I suspect that this situation was one of those - the guy wanted to be sure his cards didn't "change" (in terms of the sequence of dealt hands).
     
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    In MS Stud, the dealer gets thier cards first then #1 position and so on. So, I can see someone wanting to move to that position if alone at the table but they should move as soon as available.

    As for LIR, the position #1 gets the first 3 cards, however since the dealer doesn't get the community cards until the end, the ultimate end hand will changed based on players coming and going, so not as big of deal but some will move.
     
  20. Snickers99

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    I sorta just started playing table games. It was usually poker (like, poker room poker), VP, or slots. But I wanted to try something different so I started playing 3-card poker and UTH. I would not even think about asking if I could sit down. Nothing about being a jerk or etiquette...I just wouldn't even think about it. If there's an empty seat, I'm taking it. (If someone wants to move into the empty seat, I have no problem with that.) I thought the people who responded about asking if it was OK to sit down were crazy.

    But lo and behold, I'm playing 3-card with two other people last night. They eventually leave, leaving me alone. A few minutes later I heard a couple walk up behind me and ask each other if they wanted to play. And the guy says 'if this guy will let us'. And then he asks if they could join me. I'm shell shocked that people actually ask if it's OK. 'If this guy will let us'??!?!? Who the F am I? There's five empty seats and I'm betting $5. Of course, I told the guy to F off. Felt good. JK
     
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