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Switching from BJ to Bacc. How should comp strategy differ?

Discussion in 'Comps' started by notfromconcentrate, Jul 28, 2016.

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  1. notfromconcentrate

    notfromconcentrate Low-Roller

    Jul 19, 2015
    Toronto, Canada
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    So I'm pretty well done with blackjack. Maybe I'm getting old, maybe I'm getting burned out, but between the fast pace not mixing well with wanting to relax just a little bit during my trips, seeing a few too many dealer 21's, and having big bet presses turn into vast multiples with doubles and splits, I'm putting blackjack "on ice" for the time being. Additionally, the rules have gotten horrible. I was just down in Vegas last week, and there is an epidemic of 6:5 tables on the strip, and even downtown. You can't get a 3:2 game anywhere in Binion's, or even in QQQQ (only 3:2 there is double deck).

    I played a few mini baccarat sessions, and I have to say I like the game quite a bit better. Yes, it's basically a glorified coin-flip game, but the pace is more relaxing, bets can be pressed without the multiplier of a double/split, and it seems to attract a much better clientele of players. No just-turned-21 frat boys asking the dealer what insurance is 100 different ways.

    Now, I realize that being a game with such a low house edge, comps aren't as easy to come by in baccarat. Using the generally accepted comp logic, if I'm playing 60 hands an hour (for example) at $25 a go, that represents only about $15-$20 per hour in theo - or about $5 in comp value.

    As a low greens player, I can't imagine I'd attract that much in the way of comps. However, I'd like to get a sense of where I might be most "at home", whether on strip/off strip/downtown. I envision my next trip being one of mostly baccarat - so I'd like to plan in advance to go somewhere that I'd get good value for my play.

    Any other general insight/advice with regard to comps in the way of baccarat would be much appreciated.
  2. Chuck2009x

    Chuck2009x VIP Whale

    Apr 5, 2009
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    It's hard to get a handle on comps from bacc at a lower level because historically most people here who have posted about bacc play at a really high average.

    Several years ago, I had a few trips where I would spend a few hours a trip in HL playing $100 a hand and occasionally letting wins ride, etc. But now when I'm in the mood, I just play $25, usually at Caesars.

    I don't play high enough or long enough (even when I was playing $100 a hand) to even think about how much value it might be adding to comps, I totally ignore it except for win-loss.

    People who play bacc a lot have said they rate it based on shoes, not hours, but I don;t think that makes much diff at $25. If you're mostly flat betting Banker or Player, it's gonna get rated at 1% theo max, so yeah, about $5 an hour in comp value.

    As for where to play at $25, I don;t really have a preference, I've played at MB, Aria, Rio, Cosmo, and Caesars. I'll play anywhere if I'm in the mood for it, the mood being to relax and get a lot of slow action with a minimal bet. The dynamics of the table and the cards really dictate whether you have a good time or not.

    I don;t know what your bankroll is like, but if you intend on spending the majority of a trip playing bacc, I'd even look for a $10 game downtown or maybe at Orleans or other off-strip property, press a little more than you might at $25, forget about comps and hope you get lucky (I know that's not too helpful).
  3. Golfer

    Golfer Low-Roller

    Jun 19, 2016
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    I think probably it's similar to craps. But I play mostly downtown, and I play as large as $60 per hand, or maybe $20 to get started.

    Similar to craps insofar as if you understand the high percentage bets, you can play $100 baccarat a long time and keep things reasonable.

    I wish I could answer more specifically, but I plays craps and baccarat, and have never asked how the casino rates one to the other.
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