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Suspicious Dice firing

Discussion in 'Misc. Vegas Chat' started by pywakit, Jul 19, 2013.

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  1. pywakit

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    The dealer should be set for life once they settle. Not suprised casinos would break rules to save themselves money. Kinda makes you think about the credibility of the high limit slots thread..
     
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    If its true its fucked up just in terms of optics, even if the "superstitious dice" were perfectly normal dice. In any case it would clearly be a violation of gaming regs for them to introduce dice they bought off the street into a live craps game. Goes to show how these guys who run the games all day are just as superstitious as anyone else.

    As far as trying to cool a hot table down I have no doubt that happens and there are tons of stories just on this board about it happening at a game during a winning streak, whether its craps, blackjack, roulette, baccarat etc. I think it's a big difference though between that and actually changing the odds on a game while its being played, as trig's post alleges in the slot thread.
     
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    So you've already found the Four Queens "guilty" of the charge? If others corroborate, there may indeed be merit. Otherwise, based on what I read, it sounds like an employee who's worked at a joint a long, long time and things aren't goin' his way. This needs to be more than a "he said, he said" deal to pass muster IMHO. :nono:
     
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    Im sure theres more to the story and it may or may not come out in the future but from that article, Im more inclined to believe the dealers side of the story. 37 years with the company and fired without a reason? come on now.
     
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    Interesting... My take is that too often long, long-term employees don't take kindly to new owners (though 10 years ago) and many times feel they're more a part of the place than their position really is and when things boil to a head, they wanna take "someone down with 'em".

    But, as you rightly point out, we don't know the facts... just interesting how people can read the same article and be "prejudiced" (if you will) in different ways.
     
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    That seems like a home made news story, like a student wrote it or something. The structure and flow just seems odd to me.

    Of course the fact that i dont believe it has something to do with my view of it.
     
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    I agree, it seems like a "story".....he told him... And then he said....to which he said and then...yada yada....weird for sure
     
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    Possible... doing a search on the author's name doesn't seem to come up with any other news articles, at least not through the first bunches of pages on Google.
     
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    In reading this story there are a few parts that stand out:

    "The agents asked the plaintiff if he was comfortable using the dice that were kept in the office ('the superstitious dice') and the plaintiff replied that he believed in the chain of command and that he followed the orders he received from the chain of command."

    Overall it sounds like this guy has a problem with switching dice, but here he is pretty much saying he would do whatever his bosses told him to.

    "Milicevic claims that on March 29 he was told her would be suspended for four days, from April 2 through 5, for violating the Gaming Control Board's "Dice Standards."
    "This suspension was the height of hypocrisy," he says in the complaint. "The plaintiff was suspended for doing exactly what he had been told to do by his superior."


    And he should have been suspended. If he knows this is wrong and is something he shouldn't be doing then he needs to go to his superiors, over this other guy's head and report to them what is going on.

    The whole argument of "I shouldn't be suspended since I was just following orders" isn't going to help him here because the gaming board wants to keep cheats and crooks out of the business and the "just following orders" guys are what keeps them in there.

    And this part here:
    "Milicevic claims that he was not the first person to alert the Nevada Gaming Control Board about the "superstitious dice," which reports brought gaming agents to the casino."

    The article says "was not the first person to alert..." but in reading his account in the article it actually sounds like he never alerted anybody.

    Instead it sounds like what happened was:
    Security saw the dice switch at the table
    They called this guy up to surveillance to ask him about it
    He told security "Glenn told me to use the dice"
    Security told him they were going to continue to investigate
    He runs to Glenn to let him know security is investigating
    Security then reports the incident to the gaming control board
    Gaming control board comes around and starts questioning people
    When asked, this guy basically says he used the dice, that they were OKed by another guy and that his boss told him to

    This guy just sounds like some putz that got caught using questionable/unknown gaming material at the table and is now trying to save himself and throw everybody else under the bus at the same time...
     
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    Unless I missed it, how does one introduce specific dice into the game without the shooter knowing?

    Are they supposed to sneak them in?
    Tell the shooter you must now use these dice?

    Image the uproar of the table if the pit boss or whom ever said the shooter must now use new dice especially when on a hot roll.
     
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    edit: I guess he could be working with someone to make money by switching in loaded dice... I still have a hard time believing someone would throw their job away after 37 years to make a few extra bucks.
     
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    I don't know what to think about it. On one hand, I wouldn't be surprised if a guy got fired for doing something like this. The suspension was simply due process. The other guy got a bigger suspension. On the other hand, I think a casino in this day and age wouldn't do anything to risk their license. And they would make that perfectly clear to the people in charge on the floor.
     
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    Not as a matter of corporate policy. I agree with that. But in any organization it comes down to the people to follow best practices. A casino manager, supervisor, or pit boss making a dumb decision that violates regulatory requirements? That's easily believable.
     
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    The story doesn't indicate that the dice were introduced "without the shooter knowing", or on the sly. Dice are routinely changed out at the craps tables. Always between shoooters though. My guess is that they just made the switch as if it were a normal change-out, and between shooters.

    It is amazing how superstitious the pit-critters can be though. I have witnessed many times a box-man or floor supervisor do anything they can to slow down the game when the dice get hot, and sometimes their antics are laughable. For example, arguing the payout on a simple horn or hardway bet, or just flat-out signalling the dealers to slow down their moves when making payouts (it's obvious when the dealers shift gears), taking extra time to thoroughly examine a die that left the table and the same dice were requested, etc, etc.
     
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    Hey! Look on the bright side.

    If the Dirctor of Casino Operations can switch in "superstisious dice," maybe they'll let the players do the same!

    From Guys and Dolls:

    Big Julie "This time we'll use my dice."

    Nathan Detroit "But, Big Julie, there are not spots on these dice."

    Big Julie "I had them removed. But I remember where the spots were!"
     
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    Can't find any other reference to this when doing a search except for a link that directs the reader back to this "courthouse news" web page's story.

    Not something I'd take as complete and factual based on this one piece.
     
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