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Table Games Split 9's?

Discussion in 'Table Games' started by Gdicke13, Jul 11, 2015.

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  1. Gdicke13

    Gdicke13 Low-Roller

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    I was at a local casino w a friend this week playing blackjack. He and I disagreed on how to play a certain hand. So I told him I would take a poll here and see what the majority says...He and I are pretty much basic strategy players. Although there are times I'm not sure what the book says about a particular hand..so he gets a pair of 9's vs dealer 7. He asked me what to do, I said if it were my hand I'd split, but it's up to you. Come to find out that's the wrong play according to "the book"...how would you or how have you played that hand? In his case, he split and the dealer busted...I look fwd to the responses! Thanks
     
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    against a 7 you stand... you have 18 and hope the dealer has 17.

    i would split against 2-6 and 8 and 9

    that is if DAS is allowed
     
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    Depends on the count.....
     
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    You stand, split against 2-6, 8 and 9. If he knew basic strategy and didn't follow it then he's really not a basic strategy player, just a guesser. I see it all the time where some player will "announce" that he knows what he's going to do is wrong, but he's doing it anyway, as if proclaiming that you're foolish makes it ok.
     
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    You may find this helpful: http://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/strategy/calculator/

    As others have said, you always stand with 9/9 vs 7. Blackjack is a very unforgiving game for those that depart from basic strategy*. The house edge climbs precipitously with each deviation you make. Just follow basic strategy - always - and the razor thin edge on BJ won't turn into a hacksaw.

    * counters making mathematically correct deviations are excluded from this statement obviously
     
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    I would stand on that hand.
     
  7. hog

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    I would stand unless I was playing freebet BJ.
     
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    True, but I wouldn't highly chastise anyone that splits this instead of stand if that's the only mistake they tended to make. It doesn't come up that often and isn't that costly of an error. If someone was to do it all the time in a 6 deck H17 game w/DAS, it ups the house edge by about 0.001559%.
     
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    Bingo.... Split, double.

    Nick:beer:
     
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    True, but that is if that is their only deviation from basic strategy. I have a friend that goes against the book on several hands, splitting 8's against A, doubling 11 against A and a few others. He knows that he is not make the right call but it "feels wrong to him". All close calls for sure so I would assume he isn't hurting himself a ton, but more than he should.
     
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    tringlomane STP Addicted Beer Snob

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    Yeah, unfortunately those errors will begin to add up. Probably 5 close calls cost you a few hundredths of a percent overall.

    The wizard's "simple strategy" cuts out most of the "close" plays and it adds 0.14%. But given how simple that strategy is, it's not bad for a player that doesn't want to seriously memorize basic strategy. It's still a better strategy than many people actually play.
     
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    Full disclosure, I gamble for entertainment purposes. Although winning is more fun than losing, I buy in for only as much as I am comfortable losing.
    So how many units would a .001559% cost a player in a three-hour session? One?
    I would figure I MIGHT get 99 once an hour.
    I say go with my gut and have fun. In three hours, it will probably only cost me one chip.
     
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    For splitting 99 vs 7...it would take more like a 1000 hours of play to lose a full bet over it.
     
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    Which means for fun players it isn't worth even thinking about. Go with the gut. You'll be happier in the long run.
     
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    Splitting 8's against an A, and doubling on 11 against an A, are not deviations from basic strategy.... they are basic strategy.
     
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    I wasn't clear. I meant that he doesn't do those things.
     
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    Doubling 11 against an A.....depends on how many decks.
     
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    There is no "gut", people who dont know can be excused for their cluelessness, people who do know, and go with their "gut" most surely are cast into the pit of fire.
     
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    This ^^^ for sure. BJ is very mechanical, there should be no emotion, play what the book says based on the cards dealt. Unless you are counting, there should be no "well I shouldn't do X because the last 5 cards were Y. " And for sure some hands suck to play the book way. Being dealt 8-8 against an A is always going to suck. There is no good way to play it, splitting is just the least bad way of playing a shitty hand.
     
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    That may be true but how much does it really matter? Its not like hitting a 20 against a 6.
     
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