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Snark and Sarcasm Guidelines

Discussion in 'Admin. Announcements' started by Sonya, Mar 7, 2014.

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  1. Sonya

    Sonya Queen of VMB

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    Just a quick FYI as we seem to have some confusion about the rules surrounding snark and sarcasm. I hope to clarify for you all here.

    The problem with snark and sarcasm is that it can appear to be a harsh personal attack if you don't include a j/k (just kidding) or a smiley face or wink. It is just so hard to determine your tone through text alone.

    For example:

    You're insane!
    vs.
    You're insane! ;)

    Sometimes just adding a smiley is enough to change the tone.

    However, that doesn't mean that -
    "You're a clueless newbie who hasn't got two brain cells to rub together. :)" is going to get by as not being a personal insult.

    There's a fine line between good natured ribbing and banter and an outright insult. Sometimes your tone can be misconstrued, but other times you might just be "being mean". That's what we're trying to avoid here.

    Also, witty banter between friends is easy to interpret in person, but someone from the outside might not understand that when I tell SH0CK he's an "apron wearing, momma's boy" that is a joke between friends. I can call him that (well, not really, he hates it) but I hesitate to do it here on the open board where others might pick up on it with the wrong idea about what's appropriate on the board.

    My primary goal here is to keep a fun, open and SAFE place for people to hang out and talk about Vegas without getting blasted for their questions and opinions. You are free to disagree, as long as you can do it without being disagreeable.

    Thanks for understanding. Let me know if you have any questions or need clarification on any of this.
     
  2. mikenhe

    mikenhe VIP Whale

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    but, but , but

    that's 90% of my responses.. with the occasional outbreak of explaining things real slow for my vmb friends.....


    j/k???

    :thumbsup:
     
  3. shokhead

    shokhead I'm no big spender!

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    Snark? Really?
     
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  4. Viva Las Vegas

    Viva Las Vegas Ramblin' Gamblin' Man

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    I guess I will no longer be able to link my favorite website www.bitchpleeze.com. :cry:

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  5. Busyman

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    There's was interesting thread from RiddickBull about being banned from MGM and now it's gone. I only saw the first couple of response before....well it looks like it's gone.

    Was there snark there (I really dunno).

    Was it an instance of angering sponsors?

    The thing is, I have modded a few forums before and understand the money aspect. This is the first forum tho' where posts and threads "go away" with nary an explanation. I once had a warning against talking about a news organization....which was surprising news to me. I got the warning but another did not.

    The rules are not clear. If it's a corporate thing, I actually understand but it's shrouded in deletions. I'm guessing the deletion vs. lock confirms this so it's not seen.

    I get keeping it lighthearted but sometimes this is "heavy" moderation.
    Modding should be fair and even as well as transparent where it's obvious where the modder is coming from so that the poster and others viewing (or have viewed it) can "get it" so in the future there are no issues.

    I'd like to stay in my lane, so to speak.
     
  6. Electroguy563

    Electroguy563 Over-Fried Gambler

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    Some threads are locked with an explanation. Some are locked without an explanation.

    Most of the locked threads deserve to be locked down. There should be a place where members can go to view the explanation as to why it was locked down, if that particular thread was locked without explanation.
     
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  7. Sonya

    Sonya Queen of VMB

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    I understand your concerns. Maybe a little background. This board came straight from the old usenet group avlv, where snark and flame wars and trolls abound. It was important to have a place where people could feel safe to ask their questions, no matter how "stupid". There are no stupid questions, if you are honestly looking for the answer.

    I want this place to be fun and lighthearted, but I have to walk a fine line of moderation in order to maintain that balance. Sometimes I'll err on one side of the line or the other and that ruffles some feathers, but I try to keep it fair to everyone while maintaining that balance on the board.

    Our policy has always been that we handle the problems off the general board. IMX, that public discussion always causes more trouble than it is usually worth.

    I can promise you that I don't ban or delete threads because it is critical of the properties or companies I am affiliated with. You can say whatever you want to about MGM as long as it falls within our rules. Buy me a drink in Vegas next time and maybe I'll get talking about my feelings about some of the properties I work with. :wink2:

    We try not to delete threads or close them if possible. But being a moderator is a pretty thankless job and often we have to make difficult judgment calls about when to close a thread and when to delete it.

    You may also see threads disappear and reappear. Often when a thread has run off the rails, we will pull it from view in order to discuss what needs to be done in it and to give me time to make the edits and send out PMs or infractions.

    If a thread has too many posts that need to be moderated or infracted, but the topic has been discussed pretty completely, we will close it. Sometimes a thread is just a rehash of other threads, and we merge the two threads together.

    On rare occasion, a thread is too hot, or too controversial or too politically loaded and it has to be removed. It's not my favorite part of my job and I do it for the overall well-being of the board. When we remove something, we send PMs to let the OP know why.

    I've decided that this board can't be effectively run as a democracy, but I don't want to be a dictator either. The fact is that this is a moderated board. There are lots of other Vegas boards where it is not as moderated or moderated at all. Maybe that's a better fit for some people.

    I like to think of this as my "living room". You are all welcome in my house as long as nobody knocks over a lamp or starts a fight in my guest bathroom. I'm sorry, but if I catch you urinating in my potted plants, I'm going to ask you to leave. Right? Or if you keep trying to steal the silver from the kitchen.

    I don't want to have to be that "Internet Nazi" some people email and tell me that I am. I just want us all to have a good time talking about Vegas and sharing what we know to make everyone's trip that much better.

    All I ask is that we follow a few rules. No spam. No politics or religion. Agree to disagree or find a way to disagree without being disagreeable. And just be nice to each other. There's no reason we can't be friendly here if we just agree to do it.

    I would love to be able to walk away from here for an afternoon out with my husband and my dog without having to get emails about someone being an ass. That would be fantastic for me and for all of you too.

    If you ever have questions about why or what I did, you are always free to PM or email me. This board is still a hobby for me and not my "full time job" so I might not always be able to reply immediately, but I will reply to the best of my ability.

    I hope this helps to clarify some of your concerns.
     
  8. MikeOPensacola

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    Keep up the good work Sonya. You and the rest of the mods do a very respectable job of making VMB a fun place to visit.

    :peace: :beer:
     
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    topcard Older than the Stardust!

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    ...what Mike said...
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    blackjacknut VIP Whale

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    The reasons Sonya sites above are the reason I like being a part of this board and is why this is the only Las Vegas focused board I belong to.
     
  12. joshrocker

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    I'm a member of one other Vegas related site but this is the only one that I visit regularly.

    When I first signed up over 10 years ago, the one thing I really liked was how nice everyone was. It wasn't the usual internet cess pool that I had become accustomed to.
     
  13. burdog

    burdog Low-Roller

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    I thank you as well. This has been a tremendous help to me and the more I learn about Vegas the more I try to lend an answer. I have even recommended this site to friends who have asked me about going to LV. So from me-TY and keep it just the way it is, friendly and informational.
     
  14. sam

    sam Low-Roller

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    This is a terrific board. I feel it is monitored very well. Keep up the good work so people like me feel comfortable reading and gaining quite a bit of good information.
     
  15. Sonya

    Sonya Queen of VMB

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    Thank you! It's a labor of love sometimes more than others. :) It makes me feel so good when I get an email or PM from someone who tells me that their trip wouldn't have been as awesome without the info here.
     
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    Every time someone posts to this thread and it pops up under "New Posts," my wife turns to me and says "What did you do?"


    :whistle:
     
  17. Snickers

    Snickers Low-Roller

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    This board really has been a great resource to get updated even for those of us who travel to Vegas annually. Great work on keeping it light, friendly and helpful - your work is appreciated!
     
  18. nuggetboy

    nuggetboy Low-Roller

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    Just adding my two cents here in saying you do a great job in moderating the board. This is the most open and friendly LV board that I know of.
    Thank you for the time and energy you put into moderating it.

    :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:
     
  19. WHIVGOYTUBE

    WHIVGOYTUBE MIA

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    Thanks for the info here. :peace: :beer:
     
  20. sweetcanadian

    sweetcanadian High-Roller

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    I love this board. I have only come across a couple questionable posts but i have learned so much by being here.

    I have to say i do not think you over moderate what so ever so keep it up!!!
     
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