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Slots: ADT vs. Points

Discussion in 'Comps' started by wonkadizzle, May 12, 2015.

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  1. wonkadizzle

    wonkadizzle Tourist

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    Primarily a slot player, I'm curious about how offers are generated based on ADT and slot points. I played several hours worth of max betting "specialty" penny slots this trip with very fast betting (i.e., stopping the reels manually consistently). Mixed that in with some $1-5 "regular" slots due to my concern for future offers. My question is geared towards future betting to maximize comps-is it generally a good idea to mix in the regular slots or is speed of betting (e.g., on specialty penny slots) looked at as well? I just enjoyed the specialty slots so much this trip that I started to become concerned whether I was getting enough "slot points" (not tier credits). Regardless, tier credits came out to 150k over the three days. Any thoughts greatly appreciated.
     
  2. cjohnson202

    cjohnson202 VIP Whale

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    doesn't matter what slots you play, all that matters is how much you run through them. For example, there are many $1 machines where the max bet is $2-$3. I often play specialty penny slots where the max bet is $4-$5. In this case, if I played both for an equal amount of time with the same amount of spins, I'd be getting more ADT and "points" from playing the penny slots because my overall bet is higher each spin.
     
  3. Krh2o

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    I am assuming you are talking about Mlife. I have not gotten a strait answer from them as to the difference between specialty slots and regular slots. It is pretty bad, some give me different explanations as to what counts as specialty. They also recently redid their classification on a bunch. With that many TC's earned you should have a host. I would ask him or her. I emailed a few off the websites of the casino, but none have answered back.
     
  4. nostresshere

    nostresshere Mr. Anti Debit Card

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    Speed of play and amount per spin do not matter. Then again, both matter. They count COIN in. 100 spins at $3.00 each is $300 coin in. Does not matter if you play slow, on penny machine or $1 machine. Coin in is still coin in.

    That then is translated to points, based on coin in. On speciality slots, the conversion rate is not as favorable.

    That policy, set up by some accountant is really, really stupid. I get that they have to pay some sort of special fee on some machines. Let's assume it is 2% if whatever. Why not just change the chip to pay out less and leave the damn mlife points the same for all slots?
     
  5. wonkadizzle

    wonkadizzle Tourist

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    Cheers all--thanks for the responses. Yes, I am referring to Mlife. Unfortunately I can't get a clear answer from my host, but after considering it some more, I have begun to think perhaps the only difference is the amount of Express Comps/Point Play earned. I played the hell out of some Walking Dead this trip which I am certain is a specialty slot, but the "slot points" were minimal. However, as cjohnson mentioned, I did cycle a lot of cash through no matter what type of slot. I think this insight will let me rest easier playing more of the specialty slots. After all, the comp experience is important to me as it makes Vegas more of that "VIP" experience.

    To paraphrase Wynn, people who come to stay and play in Vegas want to feel important. Comps facilitate that goal well!
     
  6. DaiLun

    DaiLun R.C., L.C., and A.A.N.G.

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    Specialty slots should have a silver tag on them which states the amount of $$$ it takes to generate one TC.

    At least that's the way it was at Aria the last time I was there. The Wonder Woman slots tag stated $8 for one TC.
     
  7. Guy_

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    hmm.. kind of on the same topic.
    Not all slots are set to the same pay back %.

    So It is natural to assume that if you play slots set to higher paybacks you will have a lower "ADT" then and as such earn less comps. (e.g. playing $1 machine set to 93% payback with 3 tokens max bet should earn less comps then playing penny slots set to 89% payback with max bet of $3)
    I assume you cant just base it on how many points you earn (even tho that will tell you how much "Coin in" you have went thru)

    Am I wrong in this thinking?
     
  8. sigsev

    sigsev Low-Roller

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    Theo = (coin in) * (house edge). If you know the theoretical payback of a machine and you record the TCs you earn during a play session its easy to calculate your theo for that session. Add them all up and you'll get your ADT.

    Playing fast just lets you get more coin in in a shorter period of time.
     
  9. nostresshere

    nostresshere Mr. Anti Debit Card

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    Good thinking.

    BUT, only if the casino takes the effort to assign each machine a different theo. GUESSING that slots are slots and they do not try to break every single machine down.
     
  10. Guy_

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    You may be right. It would take almost no effort to break down each machine tho. The slot already has to be programed with a % pay back and already has to track how much money you put in.

    If they are all the same, I wonder what % would be used. For example: if you earn 1000 points (before bonus points) that is $5000 coin in.
    If they use an average factor of 90% payback for machines does that mean your ADT would be $500? (10% of your coin in)?

    I play a lot of slots (and a little Let it Ride and Blackjack) so this is pretty interesting to me.
     
  11. DaiLun

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    That applies at V/P, where each machine has it's own "countdown" value.
     
  12. DaiLun

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    For CET casinos, that is correct.

    For mLife, depending on your level, there is a multiplier that comes into play, but I guess that would be considered a bonus.
     
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    Are you referring to just tier credits and reward credits DaiLun? Or were you told theo rates for corporate offers were the same for all slots at CET? For penny players' sake, I'd hope not.
     
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    I just spoke to someone at MGM Mlife. She told me comp nights, etc. they look at points, not coin in. So the specialty slots at Mlife earn 1/3 less comps basically. They earn the same as video poker now. That's not good for Mlife.
     
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    Which specific slots type are "specialty slots"?
    Slots like 'Ellen', 'Michael Jackson, etc?
     
  16. Krh2o

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    That's a mystery. It's for sure all the licensed ones. I have heard that it's also progressives but not sure. No one seems to know and a lot of them are not marked. Some of the Mlife booth workers don't know about the $10 per point.
     
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    When I have talked to any of the hosts I have with MGM properties they always tell me everything is based on "coin in" if you are a slot player, I don't think they care whether you play premium slots or not in the end.
     
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    It is ridiculous that they cannot identify which ones are licensed.
    I guess the only way for sure is to insert money and watch the point total.
     
  19. Krh2o

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    I have been told that as well. Its very confusing.
     
  20. wonkadizzle

    wonkadizzle Tourist

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    I was just told it is based on slot points, not coin in. Very confusing indeed. However, my next offer is spectacular which makes me believe it is more about the coin in than the slot points (specialty vs regular slots).
     
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