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Short Pay from Full Pay VP/BJ - How do you know?

Discussion in 'Off-Strip Hotels & Casinos' started by SquarePeg, Jun 13, 2012.

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  1. SquarePeg

    SquarePeg Tourist

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    Very small time gambler here. Can someone explain how to tell if a machine is Full pay vs. Short pay? I like to play the machines but had no idea there was a difference. I mean I know your payout is better with max bet and all but that's where my knowledge stopped on picking machines. LOL

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  2. SquarePeg

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    And I put this in the wrong section! DRAT!
     
  3. Tubbs

    Tubbs High-Roller

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    There is a big variation in pay tables. A decent rule of thumb is that strip pay tables are poor, downtown and off strip are good (but obviously there is a lot more to it than that).

    You need to know what full pay means for the games you play. It is usually the returns for the full house and flush that are reduced for short pay games. So for Jacks or Better, full pay is 9/6 (9 coins for full house, 6 for flush). On the strip it will often be 8/5 or 7/5 at the bars.

    For double double bonus the top pay table is 10/6, which returns over 100%. This is often reduced to 9/5 on the strip or 8/5 at the bars.

    Spend some time on the Wizard of Odds site and all will become clear.

    http://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/
     
  4. mrstealth

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    Remember thought that Just as important as finding a good paytable, or More important (in my opinion) is that you play correct strategy for the type of game you are playing (JOB, Bonus, Double Bonus, DDB, etc). There are a number of "simulators" out there that will help teach you the basic strategies.

    Concentrate on 1 game to begin with and as you feel comfortable with that, you can move to the other games.
     
  5. Nevada Kid

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    Echo.... unless you know basic strategy they are all ahort pay.
     
  6. Nevada Kid

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    BTW, can anyone reccomend their favorite trainer/simulator?
     
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    Best one I've used is the Bob dancer one. Believe it is called win poker. One of the neat things you can do is to set the paytable to match the payouts on what is available at your favorite casino.
     
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    If you have an iphone/pad/touch I suggest WinPoker. It isn't free(I think it is ~$10), but it has a lot of game and does training mode.
     
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    March Madness...here I come !!
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    Is it my imagination, or are the pay tables even worse than this at MGM properties? I swear all the ones I see are like 5/4 JOB.
     
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