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shifter TR 6/29-7/1 @ Beau

Discussion in 'Non-Vegas Trip Reports' started by shifter, Jul 2, 2012.

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  1. shifter

    shifter Degenerate Gambler

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    My Trip Report

    here's a short (well it was going to be short, but it's actually pretty long) summary of last weekend's escapade to the Beau. i'm headed to Vegas this weekend and i hate to back up my gambling trips because if you have a bad trip one weekend, it makes the next weekend start off on the wrong foot, but they were giving me 13k promo chips and 2k shopping vouchers so i couldn't turn it down.

    well i checked in and it started off bad. they didn't have me in an ocean view suite. i call down and they say they don't have anything else available, the place is packed for the shopping weekend. so i call the Sr Exec host and he gives me some story about how it's really busy and there's a bunch of big players in town. now i'm not trying to be snooty or anything, but this is the Beau and there are very few players at my level around there. i know because i look around and most people are betting blacks with a little bit of purple action maybe. so they've got 40 of these ocean view suites, there's no way in hell there's 40 bigger players than me. what they did was gave away my suite because i didn't arrive until late Friday night. so they gave people who checked in Thursday or early Friday ocean view and had none left when i got there. not the way you're supposed to do your bigger players and i told them that. he said next time he'll block my suite out, so it can't be given to anyone else, but i'm like why didn't you do that already?

    so we had reservations at BR Prime for 7pm, but there's a drawing at 7pm, so i go over to the restaurant to let them know i'll be there at 7:15. they don't have my reservation. ok, whatever, show them my Noir card tell them i need a center booth at 7:15. they say, sorry but we don't have anything available until 9pm. WTF are you kidding me? i talk to the manager and tell her to bump somebody out of there, i was supposed to already have the reservation anyway and i want my table. she says the entire restaurant is already booked by Noir guests who are in town for the shopping weekend.

    now i'm really pissed. i've mentioned how i don't think it's right how easy they've made it to get Noir now, but in the past it hasn't really affected me. now there's an entire restaurant full of these "Noir" guests and i can't get my table. that's total BS. all i can say is if you have enough Noir players in town in one weekend to fill up the entire restaurant, it's way to easy to get there. now you just piss off the people the Noir level was originally designed for because they can't get a table.

    so i immediately walk over and talk to my host. she says she made the reservation a few days ago (which i know she did because she never forgets stuff) and she'll go in there and talk to them personally. after talking to them they still won't give me the center booth i wanted, but they can squeeze 3 of us on a 2-topper right next to the entry - the worst table in the house. i tell my host in no uncertain terms that's completely unacceptable and i'm really pissed that they're handing out these Noir cards like candy now to everybody and their donkey. she was apologetic, but said there was nothing she could do about it right now. i didn't bust her balls about it too much because i know it isn't her fault, but especially after the ocean view issue, it was really a bad start to the trip.

    after dinner the first night the gambling started bad and i was really never up. but i was plodding along OK at first staying close to even, but then this guy sits down at the table. he never bets first, just waits until you bet and immediately bets against whatever you bet. if you change your bet, he changes his. if you take your bet down, he takes his down. and while you're betting 3-5k, he's betting $100. not only that, he's loud and annoying about it. the ultimate cooler and the absolute worst person i could ever think of to play with. so once he sat down things just went straight bad. he completely killed all the mojo at the table. i wonder if the casino pays him to do that ...

    the bad part is there's only so many tables of Bacc at the Beau. it's not like in Vegas where there's many open and you can jump around and have them raise the limits to avoid people you don't like. they have redone the Bacc tables and at least now there's 2 Midi tables (where you touch the cards) and 4 mini tables, which is a nice improvement over the 1 and 3 that there used to be, but since i like to touch the cards, there's still only 2 tables. so i changed tables once and started to get a little mojo going, but then he moves over there. again, annoying as can be and i can't do anything about it because since there's only 2 tables they won't raise the limit to $1k or something to keep him off of it.

    so it wasn't too long before i was in a big hole. i ran through my CL and my TTO. i took a little break and got some cash from my room. i came back and see that at one table player has won 6 in a row with a couple of ties thrown in. i say to myself this is the best looking shoe i've seen all night, let's do it. but i guess i was the only one with that idea because everyone else at the table proceeded to bet on bank the next hand. i'm thinking what the hell are they doing? i throw $5k on player. win. ok, that's a good start. so $2500 on player and again the table bets on bank. i win again. press to $5k and this time the table decides not to bet against me and just sit out a hand. i win again.

    i straight up said to the table, what are you guys doing? does nobody want to win? they didn't really say anything. so i press to $7500 and finally one guy puts a small bet on player. i win again. now i'm really back in good shape and don't want to give it all away. so instead of pressing to $10k i chicken out and back down to $5k. but again only the one guy bets with me and very small, but i win again. now i'm $5k from getting even. bet the $5k and win again.

    it was after 4am and i had a 7am limo, so i color up and get the hell out of there just thankful to be even for the night and be able to head to bed. i never looked back to see if player kept winning. for all i know player won another 10 in a row and i could have won really big. but the worst is knowing that, so it's better just not to look back and figure that the streak ended right when you left and it was a good move to leave. anytime you sit down at a table, win 6 big hands in a row and don't lose a single one, you can't complain.

    saturday i played golf in the morning. i went off at 8am by myself with my caddie. we were the second on the course, only behind another single. i blew through the round and we were off the course by 10:15. i played the tips, which at Fallen Oak is about 7600 yards and has a rating of 76.5. it's a real beast of a course, but i played pretty well. unfortunately i had no luck whatsoever. i hit 2 shots that looked good but just sneaked into bunkers. the bunkers at Fallen are so deep with steep faces that you basically just have to chip out. one of them i was 80 yards from the green and still couldn't reach it as high as i had to hit it. so that was basically 2 penalty shots. then i hit one drive just off the fairway and it ended up right behind a tree and i had no shot and had to pitch out. and i had 2 birdie putts around 15 feet that burned the edge. so i ended up shooting 82, which from the tips is a solid round only 5 shots over the rating, but it was the worst possible score that i could have had that day. with some decent luck and making a few putts, it really could have been a great round.

    my best hole of the day was the 9th, which is a 460 yard par 4. i bombed a drive out there and had 170 left. normally i'd hit a hard 7, but short of the green is dead, so i hit the most beautiful little cut 6-iron that tracked right towards it and landed about 8 feet behind the flag and just stopped dead. it was a slick downhiller, but i drained it right in the center. always a great feeling to birdie a tough hole with 3 solid shots.

    after golf i hit the steamroom and jacuzzi and had a massage. felt feeling really relaxed and then took my wife shopping with the vouchers. the only disadvantage with the shopping vouchers is there isn't much to shop for at the Beau. but she was able to find a new purse and diamond necklace, which isn't a bad score for $2k.

    the have this "Cirque-style" show in town for this month and next called Fata Morgana, so we saw that on Saturday night. it was actually really good for a little low-budget Biloxi production. you could definitely tell it wasn't quite as polished as the real CDS, but the performers were top notch and did some pretty cool stuff. well worth 1.5 hours if you're in town to see it.

    after the show we had a few minutes before our dinner res, so i stopped at the tables to try to do a little hit and run before dinner. well it started off bad and only proceeded to get worse. at one point i think i was up $1k, but that was it. most of the time i was down. i ended up completely skipping dinner partly because i wasn't hungry, but mostly because i was chasing. i kept switching tables, getting a marker, losing that, switching tables, getting a marker, losing that, etc, etc. finally i hit a table where we were doing pretty well and i was making a come back. i was actually 5k from getting even at 2 points and put 5k out there each time and lost. i probably should have just the second time i was down only 5k, but i wanted to get even.

    but then this guy at the table (different guy from last night) decides that it's his mission to beat me. so he continues to bet the other side of me. at first i'm doing well and he's losing, but instead of giving up and joining me, he starts getting really pissed and really aggressively betting against me, like it's some sort of competition. well then he gets lucky. i have 7 on bank and he has 1 and he draws a 7 to win. next hand i have 6 on bank and he has 0 and he draws and 7 again to win. after that i never won another hand until i had blown through my line again and my TTO and my cash. lost 6 or 7 in a row and was pressing big, it was bad. and right after i had almost gotten even, which is really frustrating.

    so i took another break and walked around for a while and just tried to relax. i had some cash in my pocket for tips and stuff, so i say what the hell and go back to the same table i had won at the night before and put most of it, $2200 on player. i win. ok, now i've got something to play with. after that it's really a blur. really, i don't remember much. i know player had a 6 run, then banker had an 8 run then it went chop/chop for a while and then player had another 6 run. but i kept winning hand after hand and cheering with the entire table and a couple of hours later i cashed out $30k and paid off all my markers.

    i honestly can't believe i've had 4 epic comebacks in the last 3 trips. seriously the comebacks i've had have been truly epic once in a lifetime kind of comebacks and 4 in a row? makes me wonder why i can't have that kind of amazing luck when i'm even and make a huge winner?

    because of the cash i had put in play i was still down about $6500 even after i had paid off all the markers, but on sunday morning i took the 13k in promos and bet half on player, half on banker and took the $6500 straight to the cage. so i broke completely even for the trip. so overall i can't complain to break even. sure i would have liked to win, but it could have been way worse. at least with breaking even it means this weekend's trip will start off on the right foot instead of starting in the hole.
     
  2. chess

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    shifter wow... what a freaking come back :)

    I want to learn bacc I guess i need to read up on it LOL
     
  3. VegasGarden

    VegasGarden Low-Roller

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    Great trip report. Thanks

    For the record, I do not have a Donkey !!

    signed,
    recipient of the new boat load of Noir players

    hehe thanks Shifter
     
  4. JosieCat

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    I didn't understand all of it, but still enjoyed it. Great come back. Thanks for posting.
     
  5. Watts

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    Nice getting back to even. Definitely better than booking a loser. I ended up postponing my shopping thing there to the weekend of the 15th as something came up for me. That sucks about the room and dinner reservation. I wonder if it will be as busy in two weekends when I get there for the second weekend of the shopping event.

    Do they have all the bac tables on the main floor? I've only been once but I don't remember any in the HL room unless I'm mistaken.
     
  6. Joe

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    Breaking even is a win to me.

    Sucks about the room and the dinner table. Good luck on the upcoming trip.:thumbsup:
     
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  7. Joe

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    I don't play bacc and really don't know how it works. But isn't everyone playing their own hand and what someone else does doesn't affect you, does it?

    Any different from craps and having someone bet the don'ts? It doesn't change the roll, or in your case, the cards. Gambler's superstition?
     
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  8. Ike

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    Someone betting the don't when you're a right bettor is a good analogy. It doesn't affect the dice (or the cards), but it sure is annoying. If you've got a competetive bone in your body, it bothers you even if you're a rational human being and understand their actions cannot affect the outcome. It feels like they're playing against you, even though you're both trying to win the same house money. Gambling should be fun, and entertainment, and anything that detracts from that experience sucks. If someone was following Shifter, they were doing this on purpose. That's bullshit. You tend only to remember these situations if you're losing, but it just compounds the problem. Losing sucks. Losing in an environment you don't like is even worse.
     
  9. Polemarch28

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    Basically sounds like trolling. It's one thing if they are betting randomly, and their bets sometimes oppose yours. It's another thing entirely when they are obviously just betting against you because they hate you and want you to lose.

    My very first bacc experience was at a table where I was the only white player, all others were Asian. I would often bet first, and I'd notice them consistently betting against me. It seemed intentional, as though they wanted me to lose and leave. Only trouble is - I kept winning.

    Eventually, I just sat there and didn't bet and looked at them. This went on uncomfortably for a little while, and then I said, "no one wants to play?". The woman on the opposite side of the table said "let's just have a free hand."

    I then immediately bet on Player and won the last two hands of the shoe while they all watched disinterestedly.

    My experiences since then have been much more enjoyable, but for this reason, I will not play at tables where all other players are Asian.

    P.S. I really hope people realize that I'm not a racist... It's more that I am avoiding situations where MY complexion will make me an outsider, precisely because I want to enjoy camaraderie with my table mates and win together, just like a craps table.
     
  10. tapakip

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    Good TR Shifter, as always.

    Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I was under the impression that all card counting system in Baccarat were extraneous, and that even keeping track of who wins isn't worthwhile. I know we gamblers are very superstitious and all (and believe me, I hate a Don't Pass bettor in Craps as much as the next guy), but isn't the best bet pretty much always the bank? Unless practically every single 5-9 is gone?

    Saw an article on HuffPo awhile back talking about just how important Baccarat revenue has become to Vegas. They made 60% more revenue on 90% less tables, IIRC. Of course, that's because the whales from Asia play it heavily, but still.
     
  11. Film-Noir

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    Nice

    Love the come backs.

    Whats w/Beau, your absolutely right, there are no big players in those rooms, & they should never ever book 100%, in case a big player shows.
    Poor host/Hotel communications there, If we are arriving late, we always
    help themselves from not screwing up & giving our room away by reminding them on our reservations, if were a late arrival.
    Sounds like the front desk staff are eating too many $20 Sandwitches.

    Giving your Host reserved prefered room away, Poor Treatment at fine Dining, & overall, Laissez-faire treatment of a big player.
    *Reality Check* Hey MGM It's called "Recession"

    /Rant Portion-On :grrr: That's something your host should have taken care of,
    It's Amazing A casino Corporation will "Rip the Face off of MGM",
    because "Walking thru the Lions Mouth is bad luck" because of Feng Shui or some bad Chineese Mojo,
    but when a big Domestic player wants some hospitality, there at a loss for words & just dispense excuses. .....
    Poor Hospitality, would never take place in McCau & is inexcusable, send the staff of to *Host School! lol
    /Rant Off
    A Host should never tell you what they Can't Do, but what they Can do!

    2. Nice comeback, on Bac, some people are just Darksiders, & in Bac, like Craps they develop this Antagonistic,
    duel to the death & bent Anti You, just to be a prick.
    Very annoying.. Love to see them being proven wrong, 'vs' the Shifter.

    Thanks for the exciting , roller coster TR's,

    Go Go, Shifter.:nworthy:
     
  12. natedog666

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    Shifter, there will be nobody betting against us at the Mansion :)

    Great comebacks!
     
  13. sammowhammo

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    WOW - you should have told us to "secure all of our belongings & put our seats in an upright position" before telling us that TR what a ride!

    Just wondering - what if those comebacks hadn't materialized when they did - how far would you have gone? Is it more thrilling to win a comeback or just win?

    Good job on the purse & necklace for your wife, even though the selection is limited the Beau has some nice shops.
     
  14. shifter

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    doesn't change the cards at all, but it's annoying. and it's different from don'ts on the craps table because the dice are thrown the same way either way. in Bacc when you are the high bettor on one side, you get control of the cards. if no one is betting the other side, you get control of those cards also. so you can have them hold them or open them or whatever. i like to hold the other cards until i look at mine. if i have a good hand or a potentially good hand, then i'll have them open the other side and see what i'm up against. i do that because it's no use squeezing to hope to pull an 8 if the other side already has 9. however, if someone is betting on the other side, he gets those cards. i don't like that as much.

    also, when everyone is on the same side, you are all cheering for the same result. you develop some good mojo like this and it helps keep you relaxed and having fun. besides just being fun, when you're relaxed and feeling good, you play smarter and make better decisions. there's nothing like bad mojo at a table that kills any chance of winning.

    from a mathematical standpoint, yes betting banker every hand has the lowest HA. but most Bacc players like to play patterns and streaks. mathematically it doesn't help you any, but i think it's more fun. if player has just won 6 in a row, most people will bet player. the reasoning behind this is sometimes statistical anomalies cause one side to win many, many hands in a row just like a coin flip. if you bet with the streak and one of these anomalies happens, you win a lot of money. it doesn't always go down like this, but when it does, you win a lot. that's fun.
     
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    This is similar to the reason why, in blackjack, I tend to request/insist that my double downs be placed face down. It obviously has no bearing on the result of the hand for me, (and, I just realized, may even slightly harm advantage players acting after me), but here is my rationale for why it makes the experience more enjoyable:

    Example:

    I have 11 against a dealer 6.

    If the DD is placed face down, I get two chances to win. First, the dealer will flip the hole card and hit. They might bust. Automatic win. And even if they make a hand, I still have another chance to win, by pulling whatever I need on my side to beat them. If they have a 17, all I need is a 6 to tie or a 7 or better to win. Two chances to win.

    If the DD is placed face up, I get two chances to lose. First, I might pull a stiff like an ace or deuce, and then I'll feel like crap. But even if I pull something decent like a 9 (for a 20), the dealer still has a chance to pull out a magical 4 card 21. Two chances to lose.

    My experience is always better when I feel like I have a shot to win.
     
  16. MangoPort

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    Love the "Noir" in quotes.

    This has been discussed at length in the comps dicussion but it's absolutely correct - the whole point of a VIP program is to reward your players proportional to the size of their bets. So the little guy still gets something and the larger bettors, naturally, get a little more. But having an entire restaurant full of "Noirs" just shows how crazy the system is.

    The guy that was betting against you and followed you to the other table - was there any reason that prompted such behavior?
     
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    I am the *exact* same way with this for this exact reason.
     
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    awesome report, just fantastic wild ride. I'm soooo glad you were able to even things up to dead even at the end.

    Like you said it effects your coming trip, I feel the exact same way.

    Thanks for posting the complaints also. A lot of people won't mention that stuff and I always feel like I'm being a whiner when I constantly complain about stuff like that, but shit you are effectively "paying" for 1st class just like anyone on a flight or cruise--you should god damn well not be put in coach. Them telling you u can have the 2 top by the door is an f'ing travesty.

    I probably won't ever visit Beau based on this alone. What's the point if they treat their absolute best customers like that?

    All this said I'm glad you stuck it to em. You might not have won, but just like when you are up and can't hold it, you are losing your money that really was yours rather than breaking even, when you were down and won it back- YOU TOOK THEIR MONEY and kicked their P&L square in the NUTS!!!:beer:
     
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    Nice wild ride. :)

    Betting against you is one thing, but moving to another table to continue doing so is unthinkable to me...
     
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    i don't think it was me personally, he was just a contrarian. i've played with some contrarians before, but they're generally not as belligerant or loud about it. but i don't like playing with them even when they're quiet about it. i prefer playing with a table that's all betting the same side most of the time.

    yeah, that's exactly what i think. i don't think i'm better than anyone else, but i risk a lot of money at these casinos and feel that i deserve to get priority service because of that. i mean honestly the VIP level of treatment is a big draw to play at a high level. i probably wouldn't play as high or as often if they didn't give me big suites and fancy dinners and all that stuff. it's a big part of the whole experience and is the reason that i continue to come back time and time again even after a bad trip where i lose my entire bankroll. not only do i always have a chance to win the next trip, i know either way i'm going to be treated like a king and that's fun.

    and i think that anyone else who risks as much (i.e. "pays") for that should also get it and i have no problem with that. but it definitely pissed me off to know that there's a restaurant full of lower level players who they won't bump out of a table for me because they decided to give them a little black card that says they're special. that's when common sense needs to override whatever their policy is and they need to make something happen. i was honestly shocked that after talking to the manager and having my host talk to the manager she still wouldn't do anything but throw me the scraps. that would never happen in Vegas, i can tell you that for sure.
     
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