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Table Games Royal Match Blackjack

Discussion in 'Table Games' started by Brewfangrb, Feb 9, 2015.

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  1. Brewfangrb

    Brewfangrb Low-Roller

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    I found myself having fallen into the trap of playing the Royal Match at the BJ table on Saturday. (I had actually gotten 2 royal matches earlier in my session before I started playing it). While playing, I'd get some fairly consistent runs of suit matches and then cold periods, but never hit the RM.

    The next day, I was wondering if there weren't circumstances where playing it is "better" (certainly, it's hard to imagine it ever being "good"). Is it better when you're playing heads up vs a full table (it's just you and the dealer, so all those cards are concentrated--either they or I are going to get it--maybe...haha). Is it better to try to do a very simple count of just Ks and Qs and play if you're deep into the shoe with a favorable "count"?

    Is it really better to play it on SD or 6D? (On SD, the payout is only 2:1 for the suit match and 10:1 for the RM, but it's 2.5:1 for the suit match and 25:1 for the RM on 6D.

    The math player in me that plays very good basic strategy (but likely not PERFECT) and makes plays on emotion (I don't ever get a "hunch" to stand on 16 v 10), tells me there's no reason to ever play it given its HE. On the other hand, when you're in a long session (I played for close to 8 hours), it adds something interesting to the game, so I was trying to figure out whether you should: 1) Still never play it, 2) If you're going to play it, play every hand to avoid the aggravation of getting the RM while not playing or 3) trying to determine if there are optimal situations in which to play it (only play it when heads-up--but then play it everytime...or only play it when there are clearly a ton of K/Q left).

    Thoughts?
     
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    While the side bet is countable the positive situations occur very rarely. In order to count the bet you need to track suits rather than values. When you get a preponderance of a certain suit remaining this is when you can get gain an advantage. Arnold Snider's Big Book of Blackjack has the strategy.

    I have a similar issue when playing at a baccarat table that offers the dragon bonus. I tend to end up spending more chasing big bonuses than on the main game itself. I tell myself I will quit playing it but no matter what continue doing so.
     
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    The casino I deal at has several RM tables and one Pair Plus table and several Kings Bounty. If I was going to play any of them it would be the Kings Bounty. Having said that to answer your question, I find that in the course of my day, I deal the RM more when I have several people playing on the table. Just yesterday I had a guy playing three spots and the other four spots with other players. He hit the RM four times in the same spot. Suited obviously comes out more and is an ok bet for a side bet, but myself I would not play those bets any longer, I find I take more than they will pay. The RM at my casino is a 2:1 for suited, 50:1 for RM and $1000 for a crown treasure.
     
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    I can't say it's ever "better"...but try to look for a 3/5/10 paytable (regular/BJ/RM).
     
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    At the el-cortez SD the match pays 3-1 with royal match being 10-1, so the 2-1 you're getting is terrible. I think you already know it's a very bad game(house advantage of 5-10%), so obviously you should never play it, but if you do, I would never play that 2-1 game.
     
  6. Brewfangrb

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    Oh, I know it's awful. But sometimes, it's hard to resist--which is obviously completely illogical. I couldn't help but wonder whether there wasn't a way to trim the HE in some way.
     
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    50:1 for the RM might actually make the HE semi-tolerable (although the 2:1 for suited is poor). What's the crown treasure?

    Also...what's the Kings Bounty? (Most of the casinos here are Royal Match, I think, so these other side bets are sort of interesting to at least look at when I'm in Vegas next).
     
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    Brewfangrb Low-Roller

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    I think I get you mean 3:1 for suited and 10:1 for RM, but not sure what you mean by the 5 for BJ?
     
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    Suited cards = 3:1
    Suited Blackjack = 5:1
    Royal Match = 10:1
    Crown Treasure = 1000:1 (This is when you AND the dealer have a Royal Match)
     
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    Brewfangrb Low-Roller

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    That sounds pretty interesting. I'd definitely play that. But clearly directing payouts from the RM to the crown treasure.

    Where have you seen this? Anywhere on the strip?
     
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    Kings Bounty is just another Lucky Ladies side bet, whereby you win if your first 2 cards equal a 20. The off the top house edge is a terrible 20-30%. However, unlike Royal Match, this sidebet is countable if you know a higher portion of 10's are left to be dealt.
     
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    In Reno & Carson City; but most have switched over to 2½/25)
     
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    Iv been dealing almost 2 years and iv seen the crown treasure twice ever and not when anyone was playing.

    Sounds like different royal match tables have different payouts. Our casino is 2:1 for any suited cards, 50:1 for royal match and $1000 straight pay for a crown treasure on top of the royal match payment.
     
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