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Royal Flusher No Kickers Trip Report - Oct 2014

Discussion in 'Vegas Trip Reports' started by Royal Flusher, Nov 12, 2014.

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  1. Royal Flusher

    Royal Flusher Savvy Gambler

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    Nice to hear all the good feedback. Thank you!

    Day 8, Saturday - November 1 - and it was just pouring in Vegas. Oddly, it rains a lot while I'm there.

    Day 4 on the $10K a day plan on Jacks went really badly. I blew through my $200 free play and $700 besides. Now how could I possibly win that back???

    BONER DELUXE!!!! Yup, got on a nice run at a bartop at the Nugget. By the end of the day, we were up on the trip, combined. Not bad for a week banging the dollar VP.

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    Oh - and Mrs. Flusher had another surprise for me too.

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    That's five between the two of us on the trip... so far.

    http://www.royalflushervegas.com/2014/11/bring-on-saucy-spanish-sauce.html

    http://www.royalflushervegas.com/2014/11/boner-deluxe-rewind-reduxe.html
     
  2. breanna61

    breanna61 Super Moderator

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    Flusher, you made me bite the bullet and book a quick 3 night trip for December because of the earlier entries in your TR and in spite of getting my ass kicked in July and October. Here's hoping there are some Royals coming my way. Well done Mr. And Mrs. RF (Mrs RF is the artist formerly known as the Quad Queen).
     
  3. Royal Flusher

    Royal Flusher Savvy Gambler

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    LOL... I'll put in for a batch of Royals for you! Enjoy!!!
     
  4. BayouBengal

    BayouBengal VIP Whale

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    What kind of time are you putting in at the machines to get your 10k? I feel like I must be playing slow.
     
  5. Royal Flusher

    Royal Flusher Savvy Gambler

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    It takes between 2 1/2 and 3 hours. You get quite a case of 'vp shoulder' on those uprights!
     
  6. Funkhouser

    Funkhouser In Charge of the Big Door

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    Thanks for you TR, and telling it like it is. I have to say your TR's are probably the most interesting real guy reports I read.

    The idea of 10K in play per session seems unfathomable to me. Just due to the risk of volatility. Maybe its just been my history of bad VP play
    or taking a kick in the stomach being on the receiving end of bad ev, but two thousand hands in a session, Wow. However based on the math and your return
    you are hitting the win percentages. After your last TR, I would have been put off of Vegas for a year.

    So I gotta ask, Do you do it purely for the gaming excitement high, or do the comps really pay off at this level play downtown? With the continuing level of diminishing returns from CET on comps, a string of losing trips (except my HL hit at Aria)
    over the past year, I have been conditioned to hate losing more than I like winning. I mean I have really altered my gaming this year, only going when I have premo front end comps. I maybe moving over to the BeeJay Comp Yourself plan once the diamond status runs out in 2016. So I get to live thru your TR's to Vegas these days.
     
  7. marksind

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    Royal Flusher,

    Adding onto Funkhouser's questions (if you all don't mind):
    - You're clearly a fearless player, knowingly playing $5 per hand on short-pay machines. Are you an expert at the different game strategies, or not concern yourself too much?
    - Sounds like you average over 700 hands per hour, correct? I've timed myself at about 600, which is steady but factors in reaching for my drink and occasionally helping my wife. 700 is "key banger" territory. Are you one of those players who is hitting the "draw" button before many of us have even figured out what to hold?
    - Do you set a daily or trip limit on losses? We do, and I wonder it that means we end up quitting in the middle of a slump every time rather than riding it through. You've done really well for the trip despite dipping down a lot sometimes.

    We're trying to become less timid in our gambling habits, so thanks for any insight you can provide.
     
  8. Royal Flusher

    Royal Flusher Savvy Gambler

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    Oh snap....nice RF!!!
     
  10. Royal Flusher

    Royal Flusher Savvy Gambler

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    We have been bumping up close to $10K per day for a while now, edging up to $6K, $7K. The offers at the Four Queens seem to really get good at the $10K level. I have a theory that this is the case at other places too - for example, that's the line for the Gold Card/Limo etc. at Boyd.

    I remember when we made a jump at the quarter level - we had a very small loss limit that wasn't allowing us to play through the troughs. We tripled our limit and we ended up getting way more comps, and actually losing about the same or less. And we finally started getting some Royals when before, we weren't playing enough to get them.

    We're at the same point with dollar play. We have dabbled, but rarely got any dollar Royals. With a commitment to a coin-in level, we're seeing vastly improved comps... and also more dollar Royals (see above...).

    Downside - the negative swings can be huge. We've learned to lose $400 or $500 in a day without worrying too much.

    Do I have the stomach to lose $2000 in a day??? I will have to find out.

    Part of this experiment is to get a sense of what we can really expect - i.e. does the math reallllly work? How bad is the bad? How good is the good?

    Now, the other part of this is, yes we enjoy it, and yes it is a thrill. I get weirded out playing dollars but boy it juices me up. I think we gamblers always play at a level that is just a little uncomfortable - that's where its fun.

    I think I've outlined the Four Queens comps fairly well. Will it be worth it long term? I think it will, but there's only one way to find out.

    At Boyd, if we can get a Signature Suite, Gold Card to eat at any downtown Boyd restaurant, and limo, then yes, that will be worth it too. We'll be playing at a level where we'll keep Emerald status and that gives you 0.3% points. We can use the points for cash back since we won't need them for food.

    So many factors at play here, and you have to remember, we are not advantage players, not by a stretch. I would say part of our play is quite disciplined, and part of it is vacation nonesense. What A.P. would play Keno?...!

    The Nugget is a different kettle of fish. We have been playing crappy games because we like staying there and get part comps - but in the end, it's not going to work. There games are just too weak there and I can't fade the $5 Jacks game! I think we will have to move on from the Nugget or use the Beeejay 'comp yourself' system and just buy rooms there when we want to stay, and give minimal play there.

    BTW I was really, really nervous about this trip after last July's debacle. I barely wanted to go. Shows how much I know.
     
  11. Royal Flusher

    Royal Flusher Savvy Gambler

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    Fearless, no, stupid, yes. :) I do not play a lot of short pay dollars - but I do take flyers on them. I'd risk $100 on short pay Boner Deluxe, but I would not sit down and do six days of three hours on it - that's a recipe for disaster. The thing is, I like to test the waters, and if the quads are coming, you can make out like a bandit, even if the paytable is short. But you have to hit that streak and know when to cash out. Eventually, I'll probably lose at this strategy.

    Expert on many games? no. Pretty good at a few games? Yes. We train a lot for these trips, but even then, my play is far from perfect. I really have to watch to avoid missing low pairs, and I suck at the straight flush holds.

    Speed? Yeah, we're pretty fast. The Quad Queen is way faster than I am, and accurate. I've forced myself to slow down to avoid missing pairs and its working - I say the names (in my head) of what I am discarding before I press draw. That's eliminated a lot of errors and I think it shows this trip - I kept up with QQ on quads for the first time maybe ever.

    We are also wrestling with daily loss limits. What we could stand... what our max trip loss should be... if any... we have differing opinions. I plan to write about this in a blog post soon, so I'll leave the discussion for then.

    Being timid in gambling is not a bad thing, but we were running into gambler's ruin too often at the quarter level until we bumped our daily loss limit to $300 or $400 from $100 or so. Made a huge difference. Critical to be honest about what denom you can afford to play. Can you weather $1200 swings or even $2000 playing dollars?... that's what you have to ask yourself. Also choose games wisely (low volatility, best paytable) and know the strategy inside out.

    Hope this helps.
     
  12. homanga

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    RF you kind of hint around what your usual swings are but maybe give us some actual numbers from this trip or others.

    Given you are playing 10k ish per day thru anyways but what's your approx swings at quarters and dollars on VP. And which games are you playing. Just curious for future trips etc.
     
  13. Royal Flusher

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    At Quarters a $500 loss limit wasn't too bad. It was enough for most days playing bonus poker. Some days we'd go over that.

    Obviously at dollars it could be four times that.

    We had some $800 and $1000 losses for a day on this trip, and we had some +$3000 days.

    Maybe we would be better off at the 50 cent level!

    If you are interested in more numbers, you can take a look at the trip reports in the blog - I give daily stats, but also at the ends of the reports I give trip stats on wins and losses, and sometimes an idea of coin in.
     
  14. Hawaiianmark

    Hawaiianmark Low-Roller

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    Funny mention on the 'comp yourself aspect' - Im like that. Especially at GN. Like the 1 Bdrm suite; its fine for us; great ambiance and facility.

    The Queen in my case wants everything comp; not the big time gambler but "What? you when pay for that?" Not bad but Id like what I want when I want it.

    Ack.

    I lose more shopping with her.

    Always the fun read - Thanks.
     
  15. breanna61

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    Another Royal:nworthy: Now you've tied your record.....will you be breaking it?
     
  16. Funkhouser

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    Very Savy play. You are on fire considering your only supposed to see a Royal every 42K plus hands give or take a thousand.
     
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    Royal Flusher,

    Thanks for the thoughtful response. It's very helpful. Seems we need to up our daily loss limit to ride out the down cycles. Thing is, while I'm reasonably lucky, my wife has never had a royal flush in over five years of play, probably five or six hours of play a day over perhaps 20 to 25 days a year, Vegas and Reno combined. And as you've said, it's those few big hands that determine the success of a trip. I think when we go in December I'm just going to commit to keep feeding her machines for the five days until she finally loses her royal virginity. Regardless of how we end up overall, that would make it a great trip for her.

    And congrats on your phenomenal comeback during your most recent trip!
     
  18. tringlomane

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    Definitely on fire with those last 2!

    And Flusher maybe you might be better off at 50c overall for the bankroll, but if the paytable bumps a "notch" at dollars, you pretty much should play dollars! I also think a bigger leak may be playing certain games even though there are better paying/lower variance game variants available in the same casino. For comp grinding, JoB/Bonus are generally better than DDB/Boner Deluxe unfortunately thanks to 2 pair paying 2 for 1 lowering the variance and extending "play time", and those games also often payback more. And your wife is more disciplined on playing those games than you! :Þ Regardless, the comps seem fairly generous where you play. I think you're hitting coin-in "sweet spots" pretty well.
     
  19. BeeeJay

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    Loving the report Flusher!!! I agree on the loss limits, in general I budget half a royal per day, as my experience has been that's what I'd lose on s pretty bad day and it's large enough to allow variance to bring me back from a bad start,
     
  20. Royal Flusher

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    She is way way overdue! Holy moly. If you have enough loss limit to play five to six hours a day you are probably not far out of the ballpark. Please don't gamble a whole lot more on my advice! What kind of daily loss limit to you currently have that you can play 5-6 hours?

    Good luck to your wife, when they come, they will come in a flash. Clumping, you know...

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    Thanks man.

    Now I'm sure I'm not a dollar player!!!

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    What I'd really like is more full pay triple play quarters. Quicker Royals and no tax on anything - except the monster.
     
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