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Video Poker Royal Flusher help me dip my toe in VP

Discussion in 'Video Poker' started by sapphirevegas, Jul 14, 2015.

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  1. sapphirevegas

    sapphirevegas Low-Roller

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    Hey guys! It doesn't just have to be him, lol. I am strictly a slot player but have pissed around with video poker, mainly a quarter at a time to learn the game. My first VP machine I ever played was at Bills killing time and I hit a royal for $500. After that I only really messed around, as I knew it was beginners luck and had no idea what the hell I was doing. I have been using a trainer online and was surprised that I am playing within 1% or so to perfect play. I thought I was way worse than that. I would like to take a day on my upcoming trip and play in earnest. I hate jacks or better, and tend to be drawn more to deuces wild or ddb. Any helpful suggestions or things I need to know? Bar top versus playing on the floor...things like that. Thank you in advance for any help!:thumbsup:
     
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    It's a trade off. If you like timely drinks, a little verbal interaction with a friendly bartender, then you may give up a small percentage advantage to play at the bar. If not, then "usually" the casino floor games have better paytables. But, that's not a given, you still have to "shop" around.
     
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  3. Royal Flusher

    Royal Flusher Savvy Gambler

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    Never mind the toe, stick the whole leg in there.

    If volatility is not a concern then DDB is everywhere, although usually not full pay on the strip and particularly at bars. Deuces is a good choice, except there a number of flavors of game type that affect the strategy. If you do decide to go with Deuces, pick one paytable style and stick to it, for example DW44 type paytables that go 1 2 3 4 4 - http://www.vpfree2.com/video-poker/pay-table/deuces-wild-4-4

    rather than 1 2 2 3 5
    http://www.vpfree2.com/video-poker/pay-table/deuces-wild

    Keep using your trainer and stick to one or two game types max until you know them cold.

    And please do play max coins. :)
     
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    Here's a tip...go offstrip, or downtown Boyd properties...
    Like Flusher said, find NSUD, if you can (Gold Coast has some, 99.73% payback), or try 9/6 DDB if you like volatility (98.9%)
     
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  5. sapphirevegas

    sapphirevegas Low-Roller

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    @ Timspeed sorry friend, what is nsud? Don't forget I am a video poker relative virgin.

    @royal flusher. Thank you kind sir. I read your trip blog and am honored you answered me. I'm sure I find you hilarious due to my summers spent as a Canuck in North Bay Ontario. I actually wanted to play quarters max. I have 82 days to practice on the trainer so I wanted to try. I love the slots but will be there for 8 days and would like a day doing something different.
     
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  6. sapphirevegas

    sapphirevegas Low-Roller

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    OK sorry let me amend that...max at quarters $1.25 a spin. No guts no glory right?
     
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    NSUD stands for Not so ugly ducks. FPDW is full pay deuces and is becoming very difficult to find, The strategy is different but NSUD is pretty easy to find at least downtown and off strip. The vpfree2 website has a great listing of games and locations in various casinos. The main reason for the $1.25 per spin on quarters is the payout on the royal. Less than max coin is short pay which is bad for your overall return.
     
  8. marksind

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    Sapphirevegas,

    Attached is an analysis of various video poker games showing the probability of different outcomes given a certain level of play. The assumption is 2560 hands played at max bet quarters, or $3200 coin-in, starting with a stake of $300. Why that? I did the analysis for myself a couple of years ago reflecting how I often play, which is to put in $300 and play roughly 500 hands an hour for about five hours. I did it because all I could find about different games was "variance" and "risk of ruin." This didn't tell me anything about how my play might turn out on different machines. I'm pretty good with statistics, so I used Monte Carlo simulation (100,000 trials in each case) to do it myself.

    Viewing the chart and using 9/6 JOB as an example, you'd have only a 4.3% chance of going broke playing $3200 coin-in with your $300. You've got a 70.5% chance of finishing the session with a loss and a 29.1% chance of finishing with a gain. The small difference (.4%) is break-even. Half the time you'd lose more than $50 and half less. There's a 10% chance you'd lose $225 or more and a 60% chance you'd lose at least $40. You've got a 13.8% chance of making at least $100 and a 6.2% chance of making at least $300.

    As you can see looking at all the games, higher chances of making money mean higher chances of losing it. The higher pay table Dueces Wild, NSUD Wild, and Joker Poker are the best for offering a much better chance at making money than JOB without hugely ramping up the risk of going broke.

    The smaller analysis in the lower part of chart shows the impact of the royal flush in a few games (the ones immediately above). Since it occurs so infrequently I was curious what its effect is. As you can see, it impacts your likelihood of making money more than your expected loss.

    Regardless of how you play, the chart reflects the relative risk and reward of the various games. I hope you find it helpful.
     

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    Thank you all so much for your help!
     
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    Can anyone recommend a trainer for iPhone? My wife is wanting to learn video poker.
     
  11. CtheWorld

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    I use Video Poker Wizard.
    It's the nay one I've tried so I can't really compare it to other options; I but I have been happy with it.
    it is by the person behind the Wizard of Odds site. I think it cost me 5 or 10 dollars. (Given that I got a bunch of strategy pages from his website, I didn't mind spending a few dollars on the app.)

    It lets you choose from many different games and adjust pay tables if you'd like. You can play just like on a real machine and it will tell you if you make a mistake. You can also enter any hand you like and it will tell you the right hold ( and show you the EV of all the different possible holds).
     
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    Correcting my post, the over/under on JOB is -$70, not -$50 (typo in my post). I don't know why the attachment comes up so small. If anyone is interested and can't read it, pm me and I'll send it as an email attachment.
     
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    Thanks. I have one for Android but it wasn't on the apple store. Almost all of the ones on that site cost something, didn't want to buy more than one.
     
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    Royal Flusher Savvy Gambler

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