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Table Games Riviera single zero roulette ?

Discussion in 'Table Games' started by doug2288, Aug 8, 2013.

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  1. doug2288

    doug2288 Low-Roller

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    I'd like to know if Riviera still has single zero roulette .I know some casinos on strip have those roulettes but the limit are pretty high. Thanks for any reply.
     
  2. ex507

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    Yeah i am also looking for single 0 Roulette. Does anyone have recent information?
     
  3. BlueSkadoo

    BlueSkadoo VMB Sweetheart

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    What min/max are you looking to play at?
     
  4. doug2288

    doug2288 Low-Roller

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    What min/max are you looking to play at?
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    I am looking for limit $10-$25.
     
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    VegasKing Low-Roller

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  6. Malibugolfer

    Malibugolfer High-Roller

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    Doug, single zero has only 1/2 the house edge and, as such, they want more action in play. Same concept, but not the 50% gain, with s17 blackjack.
     
  7. ajonate

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    Most high-roller lounges have single-zero wheels. Las Vegas Adviser keeps track of them.

    http://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/inforoul.cfm

    The good news is that you don't suffer an advantage loss with double-zero wheels if you practice wheel prediction (vb, vb2, e2, etc.). With wheel prediction the ball either lands in the region of the wheel you expect or it doesn't. How many green "zero pockets" might be in the other regions of the wheel is irrelevant to your chances of winning.
     
  8. Tellafriend

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    Wrong

    The good news is that you don't suffer an advantage loss with double-zero wheels if you practice wheel prediction (vb, vb2, e2, etc.). With wheel prediction the ball either lands in the region of the wheel you expect or it doesn't. How many green "zero pockets" might be in the other regions of the wheel is irrelevant to your chances of winning.[/QUOTE]

    That is absolutely incorrect. Using your theory they could just add 4 more zeros and you still wouldn't suffer an "advantage loss."
     
  9. ajonate

    ajonate Low-Roller

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    As long as you're trying to predict regions of the wheel where the ball is most likely to drop, the number of zero pockets is irrelevant. In fact, the zero pockets should be included when they appear in the betting regions. A zero pocket is another pocket on the wheel to a wheel clocker.
     
  10. Chuck2009x

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    Lol, any bet you make in roulette is "wheel prediction".

    And they all have the same HA.
     
  11. ajonate

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    Yes, I suppose it's all wheel prediction. But most players are guessing what the outcome might be without having a valid reason for the guess. Hunches, superstition, and past performance of the wheel are not valid reasons for believing that there is a higher likelihood for a particular outcome. The house advantage applies to guessing the outcome.

    But using physics to predict the outcome of the game is not really guessing. I don't believe that physics can accurately predict an outcome for a particular number or color, but I believe that the physics can be used to predict regions of the wheel where it is more likely and less likely for the ball to land in. Moreover, I believe that physics can predict regions of the wheel accurately enough to overcome the house advantage.

    I'm not pretending that it's easy, and the physics alone won't make you a winner. You still have to predict early enough to place your bets. You also have to place bets on regions of the wheel, while the felt is laid out numerically. It is complicated to place bets, and you don't have much time to do it. Finally, you have to conceal your activities or you will be asked to leave.
     
  12. Llew

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    More #s = bigger casino advantage regardless. Even if you can predict the region some of the time, you have to cover more numbers when there are more numbers on the wheel. Thus, each spin is more costly, while the payout is the same.
     
  13. ajonate

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    Sure, you will experience some advantage dilution due to the extra pockets, assuming that the payout stays at 35:1, but in region prediction the advantage is not determined solely by the payoff the way it is for outside bets. The advantage is also determined by how well you are able to predict the landing zone.
     
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    I'm just curious. Are you actually DOING this (some sort of wheel prediction) or is this just something you have read about? Without the various computers devices and laser sights (which are of course, illegal), I think doing this by 'eye' isn't really possible. The ball goes around 20.xxxx to 25.xxxx times and the wheel has spun 15-20 times the other way; how are you going to predict where the WHEEL is when the ball drops out, and being forced to ignore the raised chevrons that make the ball bounce around as well?

    Basically, I call BS on this. The teams that tracked and found unbalanced wheels actually had something, but just trying to track a fair wheel and how hard the croupier launches the ball? I don't think so.
     
  15. ajonate

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    15 years ago roulette wheels were nearly all of the deep pocket variety, but they went to low profile pockets around then. Eventually a lot of casinos went with starburst wheels, where the pockets are small indentations machined out of a single piece of metal. They did that for a reason; to make it more difficult to clock the wheel.

    No, the theory behind wheel clocking is not how far the ball is thrown. Ed Thorpe (the same guy who wrote Beat the Dealer) laid out the principles of wheel clocking when he helped develop a computer to do the tracking. The principle that they relied on was that the ball speed decays at a constant rate. That decay rate is tied to a characteristic period for each individual wheel, typically around 4.2 seconds, give or take a few tenths of a second. In other words, the ball speed at the end of the period is 2/3 what it was before the period. That won't change during the entire spin.

    The handy thing about the constant decay rate is that Thorpe's clocking routine can be done at any time during the spin and still give you the same result. But of course he used a computer to do it.

    There are a couple of visual methods that can be used to predict roulette wheels using Thorpe's basic method. There are methods for both unbiased wheels and tilted wheels. The method for tilted wheels is simpler.

    You might think that a tilted wheel would be impossible to find in a modern casino, since they computerize the wheels and take wheel maintenance seriously. Whenever you see an electronic display of the past spins at a roulette wheel you know that the wheels is computerized and the casino is analyzing data about wheel performance. But the tilted wheel is a special case of biased wheels that does not favor one region of the wheels over another. That's because the ball is launched without regard to the position of the wheel.

    A effective tilt can be amazingly slight, way too slight to see. Of course you can take a carpenter's level into the casino to measure tilt, so tilt has to be determined by inference. On a tilted wheel the ball will strike one or two diamonds more often than the others, perhaps 60% or 70% of the time. Since you know where the ball will probably fall from, you only need to determine what the position of the wheel will be when the ball drops. That's done with a predictive method called VB2 (visual ballistics 2), if you care to google about it.

    There's a lot to know about this stuff. Professional wheel tracker & author Laurance Scott was interviewed by Bob Dancer & Richard Munchkin this spring on their radio show Gambling With an Edge. It's a pretty revealing interview. You might take a little time to hear him out.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrrFP3-XwB0
     
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    So I guess that means the answer to my question is that it is something you've read about, not something you can do.
     
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    As I said before, I don't discuss my gambling activities in open forum. I'm only willing to discuss the technology. But how skilled or successful I might be is not relevant to the question of whether it can be done.
     
  18. Groog

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    This topic has gotten off the single 0 roulette question, and these discussions always go awry since people don't KNOW.

    If you get behind a wheel and actually spin the ball, you will get to know how easy it is to figure out dealer signature and even visual ballistics.

    The biggest problem with visual ballistics is that you have to pick 6-10 numbers and be able to bet them in a matter of 40 seconds. NOT an easy feat.
    If you got amazing at it, you could pick 5 numbers and only bet on a wheel with the racetrack where you bet one number and it covers the two on either side of it.
     
  19. ajonate

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    That was a big problem with me for a long time. In I'm told that in Europe you can call "neighbors" to have a straight-up bet cover neighboring pockets on the wheel, but they don't allow that in Las Vegas.

    Memorizing the 8 sectors of the wheel is an intimidating task, then if you're away from roulette for a few weeks you're likely to forget it all. I was never as good at memorization as my classmates anyway. To be honest, placing neighbor bets kept me away from roulette for a long time.

    But I discovered a graphical method of placing neighbor bets. I could teach a child to do it in 5 minutes.
     
  20. arizsumda

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    So can anyone answer the question, Does Riviera have single "0"

    Not wheel prediction or any other bs, there are forums for that aren't there ?
     
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