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Right level of FL holdem to lay

Discussion in 'The Poker Room' started by James123, Feb 13, 2014.

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  1. James123

    James123 Tourist

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    I'm coming out in April to play FL and wanted some advise on the right level to go for this trip's bankroll. I'm taking about $4000 for only two 8 hour sessions. At the end of the day this isn't any kind of career bankroll, it's for a one off holiday and therefore I want to find a balance between making sure I minimize the chance of busting within hours yet play at a high enough level to maximize winning potential.

    It's between 20-40, 30-60 and 40-80 I guess.

    Also if you include recommendations of the best spot for whatever you recommend, that would be awesome.
     
  2. Tubbs

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    OK I do not play poker at that level but...

    1. If you do play at that level you should not need advice on bankroll. You know what style you usually adopt. Obviously you are going to mix it up but are you involved in a lot of pots? I'd say 50BBs for each session which means $20-$40.

    2. Is there anywhere other than Bellagio which offers these games? Are the games regularly available? I can imagine a frustrating wait for a game to start but I don't really know.

    3. I think Bellagio offer $20-$40 and $40-$80 for Texas Hold'em. $30-$60 might be available for another flavour of FL.
     
  3. James123

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    I usually have a long term bankroll that I manage for local games that I try to manage in a sustainable way, but I've never really gone for a 'blowout' for a few short days before.
     
  4. Hurr1cane310

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    Fixed limit is essentially dead in vegas. The only place I see you finding this game is Bellagio.

    As far as buy in I am not much of a help since I only play NL. Usually at NL a buy in is 100BB. I would say 20-40 is your best bet for your bankroll if you want that much playing time.
     
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    Limit is pretty dead at those levels. Check the Venetian, Aria, and the Bellagio (in that order) for the bigger games. You might get lucky.

    If you are seriously worried and/or unsure about how much to sit down with, you should consider avoiding the game completely. Limit is not a game of chance (especially at those stakes) and it takes far more skill to master limit than it does NLHE.

    Whatever you do, good luck!
     
  6. sindustry

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    I played a little 20-40 last month at Bellagio. There were two table running and my table (must move) broke up after an hour or so. This was around 11pm on a Tuesday or Wednesday night. I do not play poker that much any more and I do not know how the higher limit games play, but my particular table was definitely a muscle flexing game, which i am used to when i do play this level. You will often run into the test raiser and test reraiser. You cannot be timid playing this game or you will bleed all your chips away. You will need to make a stand now and then with what you may think is a loser and play it strong through the river. If you are the type of player that only calls a raise, unless you have the nuts, then you may want to consume some alcohol to loosen the inhibitions. If you are not afraid to play-back then you will have fun.
     
  7. Sinatraatthesands

    Sinatraatthesands Low-Roller

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    Absolute garbage and not true that limit is dead in Vegas. 20- 40 and 40-80 run almost all night 5 day's a week. I would play 40-80 with that roll over the time frame your discussing. Check Bravo Poker Live to see for yourself that these games run close to 24/7 many day's.
     
  8. Sinatraatthesands

    Sinatraatthesands Low-Roller

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    Current limit hold em games at Bellagio fri. 6:30 pm not counting 4-8

    10-20 1 table

    20-40 3 tables

    40-80 1 table
     
  9. Hurr1cane310

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    A Friday night at Bellagio is not really a good way to base whether or not limit is dead in all of vegas. Sure at Bellagio you can get a limit games at most times. But at NL I can get a game at pretty much any casino with a poker room 24/7.

    Also at a roll of $4000 for two sessions we assume he is playing $2000 per session. At 40-80 I don't think he would get in the 8 hours he is looking for.
     
  10. johnvic

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    I've never played above 10-20, so I can only guess at the quality of players above that limit. I found the players at 10-20 to be as good, or bad, as the players at 4-8, maybe a few tighter players but not really better. I am not sure if 20-40 is much tougher, probably not. I would imagine that at 40-80 you get a decent number of pros and $2000 for a session is too small anyway. The standard buy in is 30BB, so you need $2400 for a 40-80 session if you do not plan on buying in again.

    I think limit is dead on the real low levels at most casinos. The higher limits only seemed to run at Bellagio when I've been there so you wouldn't find it at many places anyway. But the low limit games break so quickly late at night that it's almost not worth getting in a game.
     
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  11. Sinatraatthesands

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    The big blind in 40-80 is not 80. $1,200 is 30 BB so like I said, he has more than enough for the time he's talking about.
     
  12. johnvic

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    In limit the buy in is based on the big bet, not the big blind. In NL it is based on the big blind.
     
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    The first part is definitely accurate. The second part... well... I think most just buy-in for the max (which is likely 100-150x the big blind).
     
  14. Hurr1cane310

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    The 80 is the big bet. Bets in increments of 40 happen pre flop and on the flop and bets in increments of 80 happen on the turn and river so you must base the buy in off the big bet. If he wants to play 8 hours a wise person would not play 40-80.

    For NL the standard buy in is 100x the big blind.
     
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    If you're taking 4K for 2 sessions you should probably stick to 20/40. If you play really tight and don't care if you go broke then you might take a shot at 40/80 but you would be playing fairly thin. Chances are though, at 40/80, you won't get close to the hours of play you want unless you got luck early on.
     
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    Actually, I've played tons of 1/2 NL where the max buy-in is $300.
     
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    This is how I've usually seen it also.
     
  18. johnvic

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    You can buy in for the max, but the standard recommended buy in is 100 BB. You can also buy in for the min, it's your choice.
     
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    Pardon my French, but only a moron would buy-in for less than the max at NL and short stack himself immediately against the field. If you can't afford the game, don't sit down in the first place. No offense to anyone here who does... it's just my opinion.

    I know there are various strategies where you buy in for very little (like 20x the big blind) and play like a rock until you get a hand. I think playing like that is a waste of time and money. IIRC, Harrington used to advocate a cash game NL strategy like that (but it may have been someone else).
     
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    I know Ed Miller advises it as a strategy for getting used to NL. But the advice has nothing to do with bankroll, it has to do with playing a pre-flop game vs. a post-flop game. His reasoning is that it is much more difficult to play post flop with deeper stacks, so play high quality cards pre-flop and get it all-in on the flop. I am neither advising to do this nor am I advising to not do it.
     
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