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Table Games Real Low Roller - Roulette - Complete Bet

Discussion in 'Table Games' started by SquarePeg, Apr 15, 2013.

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  1. SquarePeg

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    So I'll be in Vegas next week. I want to try a low roller complete bet. Keep in mind I'll be using $1 chips.

    I also want to make sure what the bet pays out on complete bet on 17. Is my math right that the payout would be $328 if 17 hits?

    I read the wiki link that was posted but I could have missed a bit of info that affects the bet payout.

    Thanks
     
  2. Kickin

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    No, it would be $392 and you'd bet $40. Its on the wiki and it shows the individual bets which would replicate the 17 complete as well...its the exact one they use in the example.
     
  3. natedog666

    natedog666 17 and 20 Expert

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    I have a feeling that the complete bet is only allowed on European roulette (single zero tables)...you might have a tough time finding one less than $100 minimum.
     
  4. 4Eyes

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    If the casino doesn't allow a Complete bet, you can make the equivalent individual bets. For example, a $40 Complete bet on 17 is the same as:

    Number ($Bet):

    13($2) 14($4) 15($2)

    16($6) 17($12) 18($6)

    19($2) 20($4) 21($2)
     
  5. natedog666

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    Or if you wanted the excitement of actually betting the pattern of a complete bet, just set them up yourself! For the complete bet number you want to bet, just put $1 on it, $2 on every split, $3 every 3-way street, $4 every corner, and $6 on the 6-way. You get the same payout. The complete bet is just a "cool" way of setting up the bet without putting the chips on there in a big mess...also keeps the game going faster (which might not be what you want).
     
  6. Kickin

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    That's the way I always figured, just copy the actual bets that complete encompasses. But I like 4Eyes method a lot more. It's cleaner and easier to place since its only 9 bets instead of 12 and its all the same ratio across columns. Pretty clever.
     
  7. natedog666

    natedog666 17 and 20 Expert

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    Yeah, but you don't get the excitement of seeing EVERY SINGLE BET pay off! They sweep away the losers :)
     
  8. SquarePeg

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    Yeah, after reading the replies before this one, I'm thinking why I couldn't do exactly this.

    And, I'm not grasping what 4eyes is suggesting. To me his suggestion looks like straight up bets. What am I missing?


    Hahaha! I like the way you think.

    Thanks guys!
     
  9. Kickin

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    They are straight up bets but its the same exact thing. When you bet the complete 17 you are also betting all the numbers around it. So take the 14 for example, in the 17 complete you have 12 different bets on the 17 and 4 of those bets also cover the 14 (1 split, 2 corners, 1 six-line). So it works out the same as betting 12 units on the 17 and 4 units on the 14 ... etc etc for each number since the size of each individual bet in the complete is inversely related to its payout ratio. (e.g. it puts 4x as much on each corner bet as it does on a straight up bet).

    It may not be as fun as replicating the actual bets as nate pointed out but its the same exact thing in terms of payout.
     
  10. DeMoN2318

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    I tried to do this on digital roulette at the local casino and it took so long to get all the different bets places on the slits and corners etc...that I didn't get them all placed before the first spin...and of course it hit in my zone haha.

    4Eyes method is way easier when you don't have the awesome complete bet button to place on top of your stack on you complete number (reference Natedog's month long TR for a pic...post #952)
     
  11. SquarePeg

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    Ah, ok. But, I would have to be on a European wheel where complete bets were accepted, no? Otherwise those bets would be straight up, correct? Sorry if I sound dense (sometimes I am :ssst:).
     
  12. Kickin

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    No it wouldn't need to be a European wheel or any wheel where the complete bet was accepted. All the 00 wheel does is make the odds worse, but the paybacks are the same. You're not actually making the "complete" bet, you're just mimicking it.

    The easiest way for you to see why the straight-up bets as 4Eyes laid out are the same thing as actually replicating the complete bet is probably just to look at the layout of bets on the complete bet and break it apart. The reason the complete bet is that way is because its used by high-rollers who want to bet more than the straight-up maximum. So in that wiki example the max is $1000 straight up, therefore its $2000 on a split, $4000 on a corner etc. If a high roller comes in and wants to bet on 17 the $1000 max is too little for him. So he can bet the $1000 straight up max, than put another $2000 on the 14/17 split ... putting 2k on the split is the same as putting 1k on 14 and 1k on 17 but since he already has the 1k max on 17 he can't do that - so he does the 2k on the split. Now he has 3k bet with effectively 2k on the 17 and 1k on the 14. He "got around" the straight-up max this way. So the complete bet just repeats this for all the splits, corners, etc. On each of those bets he adds an extra 1k to the 17 (as well as money on other numbers).

    That's the only reason those ratios exist. But when you're not betting the table max you don't need to actually do the splits/corners etc. You can replicate it with straight up bets. No real reason to unless you just like the complete bet for whatever reason. But if you just like the number 17 for example and want to bet on it, the complete bet is pointless unless you're bumping up against table max limits.
     
  13. natedog666

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    Besides the above reason, I think the bigger reason is that it is just faster. If you had to set up all the bets around the 17, it would take a lot of effort especially if you had a drink in one hand. Just so much easier to say how much you want to bet and add a complete at the end, and give the dealer the chips. For example, "10k complete on 17". It is only in units of 250, so you are far from the maximum, but just easier than trying to put out 250 on that 17.

    For a player that bought in for black chips, betting 250 would be a problem, quarter chips would be too many chips. And say you wanted to press or bet a 80k complete, you would need to get whole new denomination chips...so it is just easier to do it this way...
     
  14. Kickin

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    Nate I was referring to the reason for the ratios of those individual bets. They're driven by the limits of the progressive betting model. The reason for the complete bet to exist in the first place is to make it simpler like you're saying.
     
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