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Question for BJ players who have played outside of the States

Discussion in 'Non-Vegas Hotels & Casinos' started by Judge Smails, May 27, 2013.

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  1. Judge Smails

    Judge Smails Tourist

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    I spent the Memorial Day weekend in Budapest. The hotel the wife and I stayed at had a casino. I was playing BJ at a 25 euro table. The way the hands were dealed was 1 face up to all of the players and the dealer. 1 more face up to the players. The dealer did not take the second card until the players played their hands. I stilled played basic strategy though.

    Is this common in Europe and or Asia? I have lived in Europe for 2 years and this is the first time I have played at a live table.

    If BeeJay reads this one of the roulette tables last three numbers were 17, 17and 20. I tried to take a pic and was denied.
     
  2. Kickin

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    Yeah I played that in Sentosa when I lived in Singapore. It sucked because if the dealer had BJ you would lose everything including any split or double. The strategy for it is a little different.

    But I also played in Macau and it isn't like that. The dealer gets a hole card and the rules are all good. It's really just a European thing so I'm not sure why they did it in Sentosa considering its all Asian clientele and a Malaysian operator.
     
  3. sailboat310

    sailboat310 Low-Roller

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    Well I wouldn't all the tables at Macau are western style bj. As of last year, I found the MGM was the only casino out of the 13 casinos I visited with the dealer having two cards. However the odd rules were table max bets includes your double.... Meaning if 10000 was max bet and you had 7500 out, you could only double for 2500 more. Also, there are no shoes games for bj anywhere in Macau. Having people play on your hand behind your bet gets a bit tiresome when you play basic strategy and they blame you for playing weird.....
     
  4. Judge Smails

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    Yep. I doubled a 11 and got a face. Lost to the dealer blackjack after the fact.
     
  5. Kickin

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    The main Sands Macau had dealer deal two cards when I was there, this was while most of the other western companies properties were still being built. Whenever I went it was for business with an Asian gaming company so barely gambled. But I'm pretty sure they dealt western style at their casino as well because I spent a lot of time on the floor with them and would've noticed. Really only MGM deals western style now? All of the rest deal only a single card? Do you lose all your wagers on BJ like in Sentosa or just the original?

    Having people betting behind us really freaked me and my colleagues out. Especially since we couldn't understand what they were saying about us.
     
  6. geoff

    geoff Low-Roller

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    i remember aruba having some wacky rules. I think every casino down there made up their own.
     
  7. sailboat310

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    Regarding blackjack in macau, from what I heard from various supervisors, they were getting beat pretty regularly from the western style shoe decks. Lot of advantage players.

    I have only visited in Macau in the last three years so I have no idea of what it was like before, but now only the MGM had one table with the dealer hole card in there high limit room with the csm machine.

    If someone finds a western style shoe game , please post.
     
  8. jdvegas

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    I don't recall where, but I played somewhere with that dealing style, but you only lost your original bet in the event of dealer blackjack - splits and doubles were voided (they left split hands on the table even if you busted until dealer pulled their card).
     
  9. dankyone

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    Yeah, that is called "European No Hole Card" blackjack.

    The cheeseball casinos take your doubled and split bets if the dealer turns out to have a blackjack, classier ones push the doubles and splits back to you. Best to ask or observe before starting play.

    Unfortunately almost all European casinos have gone to all CSM blackjack, even in Monaco when I was there last summer. (If you don't like prices in Vegas, steer clear of Monaco--prices there make the Wynn look like a bargain basement.) Most European players will never hit any hand when they hold 14, 15, or 16, never double, and never split. They lose quickly.

    All CSMs in the Netherlands for some time. Some shoes in Madrid last time I was there but it was a few years ago.

    No experience in Asia/Macau.
     
  10. waspie

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    Pretty sure that in Singapore, the splits and doubles are returned to you if the dealer pulls a BJ. I went to Sands a couple of times and Sentosa once.

    But if that's not the case, imagine the Genting group pulling a stunt like this in Resorts World Vegas when it opens....
     
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