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Question about ADT

Discussion in 'Comps' started by chantellevegas, Apr 7, 2016.

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  1. chantellevegas

    chantellevegas Low-Roller

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    Sorry if this has been asked before but I can't find it.

    Not playing for comps, but i know the casino looks at your ADT. I'm a slot player, so if i went on a 3 day trip to vegas, am I better to play 1 day all day, than breaking it up over the 3 days? I asked my host this question and he said they look at your ADT and whole trip, not just the average. Does this mean they average each day over your trip length and then take an average from that average? This is for MGM properties if it makes any difference.
     
  2. Its Only Money

    Its Only Money Low-Roller

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    If you play 12 hours in one day of a 3 day trip and that's all you play, you're looked at the same as if you played 4 hours each of the 3 days.
     
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  3. tringlomane

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    Yeah, that's right. MGM doesn't care how you spread your play out among the trip.
     
  4. grapplefu

    grapplefu Tourist

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    If you're staying at a MGM property (or use your mlife card for anything), they know you're in town and no playing them for any of the days wouldn't be good if you're concerned about ADT. While it wouldn't change your overall trip play, they'll see that you didn't have any coin in for 2 of the days. Or so I've been told
     
  5. chantellevegas

    chantellevegas Low-Roller

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    Thanks, i wondered how it was looked at if i got there at 10 at night and how it would affect my adt for the overall trip since playing time is shorter that day.
     
  6. Jerry Snuggit

    Jerry Snuggit Tourist

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    I'm going to suggest the opposite... pig out as much as possible on the fewest number of days. Play all you can in a single day, if possible.

    Every casino company is unique, each company's database is set up differently, and even individual data analysts within a company don't always do things identically. Yes, it is true that IF everything is done 100% properly, MGM's database will show that you played X hours over the course of a 3-day trip and divide by 3. But that is a big if. Your slot play and your hotel stay are going to be stored in different tables in the MGM database and there WILL be occasions where the slot play is reviewed, without the corresponding hotel trip. So if all of your play is on a single day, there WILL be some promotions where you'll be viewed as $1000/day average (just making up that number) and get more valuable offers than a $333/day player.

    I also want to say that your hosts or floorpeople are not lying or deceiving you when they answer your questions about ADT and comps. The truth is that most simply don't know. Marketing offers that you receive in the mail or email are designed, built and executed by a small group of database and marketing people that rarely, if ever, visit the floor, and when they do it's not to speak with the dealers and floorpeople. So most of what is "known" on the floor is about as reliable as the telephone game -- people on the floor are usually 3 or 4 people removed from the actual source.

    ***disclaimer: I cannot speak to MGM's procedures or policies specifically, but MOST casino companies work like I've described***
     
  7. Jerry Snuggit

    Jerry Snuggit Tourist

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    Do NOT do a "short day" where you arrive very late. Also on the back end, do NOT create a "short day" for a quick hour between check-out and heading to the airport. Go ahead and play, but without your card.
     
  8. Elf70

    Elf70 Low-Roller

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    I agree that a $1000 play day may generate better upfront offers that 3 $333 play days but I disagree with not using your card on short play days at the beginning or end of your stay - for MLIfe. Your trip average is going to generate any back end comps you may be eligible for. You may as well have all your play looked at. For some people it could make a difference when trying to get resort fees or meals comped.


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  9. Chuck2009x

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    OK, so the "A" in ADT depends on the number of gaming days counted.

    If you are staying at a hotel/casino, assume that:

    • Any night you stay counts in your ADT, whether you play or not
    • Check out day does not count in your ADT unless you either a) actually play, or b) use Express Comps (or Rewards Credits in the case of CET).

    Other than that, you can spread your play across gaming days however you want.

    I don't believe front loading your play makes you look like a bigger player. I also don't think it hurts you, they know there are other things to do in Vegas.

    Some people have suggested that MLife and CET work differently, specifically the MLife notion of a "trip" vs using gaming days, which nobody's ever defined, and that MLife counts check out day even if you don't play, which I don't buy, because it would penalize shorter stays for no logical reason.

    I think they both calculate ADT exactly the same way, with the exception possibly being use of EC's/RC's on checkout day, because we have had a CET host flat out say that triggers a day, while we've never had any such comment about MLife, and in fact, I used EC's once a few days after I had checked out of an MLife property, without playing at all on that same day, and I didn't see any effect on my offers.
     
  10. chantellevegas

    chantellevegas Low-Roller

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    Well on the last day, that's when either I or check out uses any express comps earned before they look at back end comps. So the theory that if I don't play on my last day (which is usually the shortest) doesn't really make sense to me.

    So for example, I arrive 10pm on a Thursday. Have all day Friday, Saturday then leave Sunday night. Thursday is a short day. Fri-sat are full and Sunday is almost full. Will they look at from the time I check in to wehen I leave to calculate the daily? Or if I didn't play at all thursday (or didn't use my card) and played the other 3 days, they would average only those days and exclude thursday, or would they include thursday as a 0 for my average?
     
  11. Chuck2009x

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    Count the number of nights you stay, that's the minimum number of days counted in your ADT. Add a day if you play on checkout day.

    Thursday counts as a day, whether you play or not. Let's use "Coin in average" as a substitute for Theo

    Coin in Bankroll = $1,000

    Arrive Thursday Night, Checkout Sunday

    Scenario 1:
    Play Thursday night: $0
    Play Friday: $500
    Play Saturday: $500
    Play Sunday: $0
    Coin in: $1,000 Gaming Days: 3 Average: $333

    Scenario 2:
    Play Thursday night: $200
    Play Friday: $500
    Play Saturday: $300
    Play Sunday: $0
    Coin in: $1,000 Gaming Days: 3 Average: $333

    Scenario 3:
    Play Thursday night: $0
    Play Friday: $500
    Play Saturday: $300
    Play Sunday: $200
    Coin in: $1,000 Gaming Days: 4 Average: $250

    Scenario 4:
    Play Thursday night: $0
    Play Friday: $500
    Play Saturday: $490
    Play Sunday: $10
    Coin in: $1,000 Gaming Days: 4 Average: $250

    Scenario 5:
    Play Thursday night: $10
    Play Friday: $500
    Play Saturday: $490
    Play Sunday: $0
    Coin in: $1,000 Gaming Days: 3 Average: $333
     
  12. DaiLun

    DaiLun R.C., L.C., and A.A.N.G.

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    I would agree with (Jerry Snuggit) this, at least for CET.

    I am going on a two day (three gambling day) trip shortly. I plan to play most (if not all) of mine one 2500TC day because:

    1) I maximize my bonus
    2)The amount of play is almost the same as if I put in three 1000TC days.
     
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  13. chantellevegas

    chantellevegas Low-Roller

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    Now that you put it that way, i see what you're saying. So since sunday doesnt count as a "night", any play on that day affects the ADT negatively?
     
  14. Chuck2009x

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    ADT is a fraction.

    [Money] divided by [Gaming Days]

    Money / Days

    Assuming you have a fixed amount of money to work with, the larger the number of days in the bottom part of the fraction, the lower your ADT. The number of nights you stay at a hotel are all automatically counted as Gaming Days. The day you check out is not counted unless you actually play.

    If you don't play Sunday, the number of Days in the fraction is going to be 3. If you play on Sunday, it's going to be 4.
     
  15. CinnamintStick

    CinnamintStick High-Roller

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    I have many single day trips. Most of my trips are single day because I find it easier to play hard and quit when you win. Where when you still have days left I don't quit when I win. That was a little off subject. I think I am a high rated player because I play very fast risking more per hour than most players betting the same amount. I do think that speed of play makes a huge difference in your comps even if you do not play all day long for days.
     
  16. chantellevegas

    chantellevegas Low-Roller

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    Ok, I think I get it. We do short trips too so we're not usually staying in one place more than 2 nights. so if we are staying 2 nights, 3 days, then we are better off playing the 2 nights we are staying and nothing (or at least without player card) on the 3rd which is check out day. It's hard not to want to play every day you're there but if it will maximize my ADT to not use check out day in my calculation, then that's what I'll do!
     
  17. Chuck2009x

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    I'd say that's right. If you are moving from one hotel to another during a trip, on moving day, don't play at at the hotel you're leaving; play at the hotel you're moving to.

    And if you have a lot of time to kill on a checkout day before you leave town,
    • If you have enough bankroll left to play the amount you normally average on any other day, go ahead and play using your card - you probably won't damage your ADT.
    • If you only have a small amount to gamble with and really just need to kill time, play low stakes and don't use your card. You will be giving up a relatively tiny amount of Express Comps/Rewards Credits/Tier Credits in exchange for preserving your ADT and your room offers.
     
  18. Jerry Snuggit

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    Chuck, you are not wrong, but you are assuming everything in their database system (hotel + casino) is fully integrated at all times, and every single database analyst, without fail, is always reviewing the players' complete interaction with MGM. You say hotel nights are counted as Gaming Days "automatically," and I disagree with that.

    Every promotion requires a list of qualified players (i.e. everyone who is 500+ ADT) or segments of players (something like $200-300, $300-500, $500-1000, $1000+, each of which get a different valued offer). Promotions which include free hotel nights USUALLY do take a look at your total play divided by total number of hotel nights as you have described. But many others -- like show ticket giveaways, invites to slot tournaments, gift giveaways and more -- are based solely on your casino play, where days with no carded activity are simply not accounted for, even if you spent that day at an MGM hotel.
     
  19. shifter

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    Yes
     
  20. chantellevegas

    chantellevegas Low-Roller

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    So shifter, is it the average of all days or nights? Say 2 nights 3 days. Do they count all 3 days if I play all 3? What if I only play 2 of 3?
     
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