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Quantify low and high rollers and whales.....

Discussion in 'Misc. Vegas Chat' started by justcin369, Dec 19, 2014.

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  1. justcin369

    justcin369 Newbie

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    So after reading countless posts and attempting to absorb all of the great info this board has to offer, I find myself wondering the question of what quantifies a low roller, high roller and a whale. I guess I am referring to per trip or per day. Any input. In sure the answers will vary.

    Also, I would love to know what everyone's daily gambling budget is when visiting.

    If there is a similar thread already started, I apologize in advance
     
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    TIMSPEED !địt mẹ!

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    I'm just going to relate it to table games...
    Low rollers play Red's, MAYBE Green's
    High rollers play Green's, MAYBE Black's
    Whales play Black's and above
     
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    SH0CK Stylin' and Profilin' Quasi Tech Admin

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    Change the last one to High Roller.

    A real whale easily bets thousands at a time.
     
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    VegasChic- VIP Whale

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    I'm a slot player and bring between 1250 - 1500 per day for gambling. Considering that is an average bet size for some table players, I can only assume that makes me a low roller!
     
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    DaiLun R.C., L.C., and A.A.N.G.

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    That is typically my budget but (for me) the art is "maximizing play for comps".
     
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    TheCooler Professional Gambler and the Best Football Handica

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    In terms of table games, I consider a low-roller someone who plays reds, greens, and the occasional black chip. A high roller in my opinion is someone who plays black chips up to pumpkins. Anything bigger is a whale. Of course, there a different species of whales. You've got your beluga whales all the way up to the elusive and rarely seen blue whales.
     
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    Hobofrank Prime Minister of Idiocracy

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    well since you don't play craps, technically that makes you a "no roller":wave::evillaugh

    I think Low v. high roller is more about, does your action generate comps? and if so at higher end venues or off strip casinos only?
    more so than how much you bring with you

    based on your play, you'd fall into the high roller camp
     
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    VegasChic- VIP Whale

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    hahaha....no roller....so right!

    I guess the other important part of the equation is frequency........i will go 4 times a year at 3 nights, max 12 days a year. I suppose 18K isn't so low rolling in a year, but still is small beans in Vegas. However, it is enough to generate a lot in comps. Like Dailun says, it's about maxing comps. At this level I do find I can get decent free play and everything covered even with spreading the play between a few properties. If each trip I still had to pay for rooms etc on top of the airfare from Canada, I wouldn't go as often if it was costing over $1000 just to walk in the door...
     
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    UKFanatic The Arbiter of Taste Caviar Kid

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    Depends on where you play and who you ask. A black chip player probably is a high roller at a lower tier property. At a higher end property, a black chip is a mid-roller at best. There have been several threads on this topic over the years. But universally, a whale is NOT a black chip player. For example, I overheard my Aria host refer to me once to a co-worker as a strong player and I usually average $1-3k a hand when I play there. So even two or three yellow chips didn't qualify as a high roller at that property. Even at a lower end property, a whale is betting $5-10k a hand. At higher end properties, it is more. Keep in mind that whales are the highest level gamblers.
     
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    DeMoN2318 The DERS

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    There was a thread on this not too long ago. I doubt ill be able to find it, but I will look later when I get on the comp...tough to search with tapatalk
     
  11. justcin369

    justcin369 Newbie

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    This is all great info and by all means, keep it coming.

    However, I am saddened to know that my 4k gambling budget on a 36 hour trip will make me a low roller. Haha.
     
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    BayouBengal VIP Whale

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    There's no true dividing line between the levels. It's not like at a certain cutoff things magically change. Here is a listing of benefits vs average bet that I copied from some thread here:

    Average Bet Range (based on 3 to 4 hours a day of play)
    $0 - 50 = Discounted to free basic room, maybe a buffet voucher
    $50 - $100 = Free room, limited free food
    $100 - $200 = Free room, limited free food, probably getting closer to VIP checkin status, a host will work with you
    $200 - $400 = (I haven't seen anyone post in this bracket yet)
    $400 - $700 = Suite, free food, limo use throughout stay, comped spa appointments, VIP lounge access, concert tickets
    $1000-$2000 = bigger suite, plus small retail shopping comps, plus everything from the $400-$700 tier range
    $2000-$5000 = flight paid for up front, near best room for you and your friends, tickets to pretty much anything, etc...
    $5000+ = At this level and above, you simply get more of everything -- biggest suite, first class up front airfare, etc…
     
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    You are spot on with low rollers, but high rollers MAYBE blacks? Huh? Not even close my man.

    Nick:beer:
     
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    bobby jones Low-Roller

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    I haven't hear anyone mention my category of amoeba yet...
     
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    KyleB Low-Roller

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    I don't think that qualifies you as a low roller. There are tons of factors that go into it. Maybe this would be a good question to ask Hunter.
     
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    What "tons" of factors? I'm fairly confident the only factor is theo (which reflects your average bet and amount of time you play). Maybe FM or LOC as well, but if you don't use the LOC or FM (which would generally be reflected in your theo), then they probably aren't very useful factors in determining your status. If there are other factors, I'm certainly curious. But I can't imagine there are "tons" more
     
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    A good point. In your opinion, what THEO ranges would you place into each category?
     
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    Like I said above, I think it depends on the casino. Black chip play at Hooters and Excalibur means a lot more than at Wynn and Bellagio. If I were to make a general guess for the entire Strip (emphasis on GUESS!), I would say for table players its based on the following bet per hand:
    Micro roller: $5 or less per hand
    Low Roller: $5 to $100 per hand
    Mid Roller: $100 to $1000 per hand
    Strong Player: $1000 to $5000 per hand
    High Roller: $5000 to $10,000 per hand
    Whale: $10,000+ per hand

    Like I said, I think it varies somewhat based on the property, but those figures would be my guess. A bigger player can probably also distinguish between different levels of high rollers and whales. And I have no idea how a casino labels or distinguishes slot and poker players
     
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    This topic is VERY subjective....

    Are there only 3 tiers? IMO, of course not, and it certainly does not simply equate to occasional green/black/purple/yellow chip play etc ....
    Really what it boils down to is THEO... and that is how the casino's see you!

    Table play vs slot play:

    I actually had a short conversation with Pleepleus and StevieD about this just a few weeks ago...I'm primarily a slot player, and generate about $1200-$1300 /day in THEO, If I was a BJ player that would translate into about $2-300/hand over 4 hours (if mI recall correctly). Roulette much less per hand, because different games generate different THEO.

    so based on theo I would say:

    Micro Roller: < 500/day in THEO
    Low Roller: 500-1000/day THEO
    Mid Roller: 1000-2500/day THEO
    High Roller: 2500-5000/day THEO
    Whale = >5000/day THEO

    my $.02...

    Cheers....
     
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