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Table Games Push On 22 Impact On House Edge

Discussion in 'Table Games' started by VegasSchemer, May 12, 2016.

  1. VegasSchemer

    VegasSchemer Low-Roller

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    When the player pushes when they hit 22 (the opposite of Free Bet), what is impact on the house edge? Anyone know? There is a reason I'm asking but it'll take a little while to explain. Just anticipating the useless "good luck finding that rule anywhere!" responses :) haha Thanks.
     
  2. boxofbirds

    boxofbirds High-Roller

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    I know it does give an advantage, but not sure how much. If the dealer pushes on 22 like in Free Bet BJ then it increases the house edge by 6.91%. I assume it wouldn't be exactly that advantage if the player gets to push. It would also probably affect strategy, like you would hit on 12 more often, etc. The D has a push 22 coupon in the American Casino Guide that I use every year.
     
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  3. Not at the table Carlos

    Not at the table Carlos Low-Roller

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    This doesn't answer the question, but with the push on 22 coupon at the D, what is the optimal strategy upon having that? If you double down on 12 and get a 10, do both your original bet and the double down bet push? I think this is the best way to use it if so.
     
  4. tringlomane

    tringlomane STP Addicted Beer Snob

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    I tried to look this up along with the house edge changes. I couldn't find an exact number, but I would assume it's less than 6.91%. Others said that doubling down on the hand voids the coupon's usage. So in that case, the only major change is to always hit hard 12. But if you are allowed to double down on 12 and the full wager is pushed on 22, you definitely should.
     
  5. Knoxville

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    I haven't calculated the edge for this rule, but if you have a coupon that allows you to make one bet with a "push on 22" with the proviso that doubling voids the coupon, I would recommend the following changes to Basic Strategy, off the top of my head.

    Hit on any hard 12.
    Hit on 13 vs 2,3,4.
    Do not double any 9's, always hit a 9.
    Do not split any 6-6, always hit.
    Split a 2-2 vs. 2,3,4,5,6.

    There may be some other strategy changes, but these are the obvious ones. Maybe hit an A-A vs A, rather than split it?

    If Doubling is allowed on the coupon then definitely:
    Double on hard 12 vs 2-6.
    I would split a 2-2 vs 7.
     
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  6. VegasSchemer

    VegasSchemer Low-Roller

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    Thanks for the insights, folks. I'll report back on what they say about doubling on 22.

    Knoxville, most of those makes sense to me except hitting the 13 and not doubling any 9s. Could you elaborate? Thanks!