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pulse nite clubs rips off the customers

Discussion in 'Vegas Nightlife' started by paperposter, Sep 14, 2013.

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  1. paperposter

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  2. lasvegas_limo_driver

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    In every story there are 2 sides, well there is a third in this one. It's not actually what happened but can be perceived that way from a disgruntled employee. But that's the hearsay I have heard
     
  3. jackincols

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    "pulse nite clubs rips of the customers"


    And here all along I thought all the clubs in Vegas were rip offs.:evillaugh Catering to the young dot com kids that have no idea the value of a buck and could care less.
     
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    Yet again... more club and "kid" bashing that plays to the board's curmudgeon crowd. :poke:
     
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    And stay off my lawn!! :grrr:
     
  6. Kickin

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    What's the third side? They posted the flyers and the ads from the clubs saying that celebrity would be performing there, as well as the repeated tweets from her stating that she wasn't. I also listened to the clip of that radio interview with the club owner and her partner about the previous time it happened, and frankly they sound like idiots trying to get away with a scam by portraying themselves as innocent victims.

    I'd be interested to hear the third side though...
     
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    Like I said, I heard that the person originally booking the entertainer had an agreement. They started promoting or whatever and then the other person from the club said they needed this and that. From what I understand is that there was a verbal agreement to perform and that they never got things finalized and both sides assumed incorrectly. Third party info.
     
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    Kicken is right, just a couple of hucksters dealing with other hucksters.
     
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    The third side is in the article:

    First side = the club
    Second side = the performer
    Third side = anonymous source being quoted in the article
     
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    Do you know how many people's hands are into getting talent into a club. Usually 3-6 at club and 2-4 for major talent. Entertainment don't really know where they are going, they might know how much they are making and what city they will be in. Like I said before, one person at the club worked a verbal agreement with talents people. Now involve more of talents people and more of club and things get lost in translation. Yes, once the club knew talent wasnt showing up they should have said so, but when you put 10s of thousands or maybe 100s of thousands of dollars, you kinda want to recoup some of your money. Even announcing as soon as you know is better than letting it go till day of.
     
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    talent has an agent ,a mgr and bookig agent and a lawyer so trust me after 30 years dealing with talent they know excatly whats going on.

    all a club or venne does is contact that persons reperesiitive they make an offer if accepted they send a deposite which holds the date .contracts are signed thats what the deposite is for and how and when final payment will happen.
    there are things as ryders that the venue must meet and other details but its a very simple procedure
    its very easy its done all day long in business
     
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    I can you tell you this. Vegas works different than any other place I deal with. LA, New York, Miami, Hong Kong. Verbal contracts are broken everyday, that is why I do what I do and how I do. The end of 2014 I will manage 3 venues, and I have learned from 19 years experience in the entertainment industry, what people say is one thing, but what people do is another.
     
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    As you guys argue back and forth...

    The thing with this story is that the whole basis of the story is the speculation of a third party, and an anonymous third party at that.

    Like the anonymous source everybody else can only speculate as the only ones who will actually know what was really going on is the club themselves and the artists involved.

    In this case I would give the club the benefit of the doubt: although the article mentions three instances where this happened, if you read it carefully it only happened at Pulse in Las Vegas twice (the third time was a club in Florida). Two instances in what time frame? This year? Its at least a few months and thats not bad.

    In both cases I think it would be more reasonable to assume the acts no showed or booked something else than the club purposely trying to screw their customers (not saying it wouldn't happen, just more likely to be the acts) - In the case of "The Future" act it sounds more like they weren't getting enough ticket sales and so he likely bailed for something else... in the case of the "Trina" act it was likely the same thing with the lack of ticket sales as the club started promoting her appearance and on all her social media she seems to be giving quite a bit of notice of where she'll be performing, except with the Sept 13th gig she didn't provide as much notice as she usually does and it looks like she probably had a lot of posts, probably promoting herself in Vegas, removed off her Facebook account and leaving some gaps in her timeline.

    I think just for me, when I was in my early 20s and I was going to see different acts at local bars and clubs and concert halls there were just so many over the years that no showed and often you didn't find out until the night of the performance and you were already there in line or already gotten in to the place.
     
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    The article is written by Joe Vargas that owns king of nightclubs.yes there is some validity to the article, but some of what is said is coming from an exemployee. Artists do cancel, things happen. I was more or less defending the comments made that "Vegas nightclub screws people over".

    I could sit up here almost every weekend and talk about this star or this casino, but there has to be proven reality to the story, not just one person's opinion cause they didn't get paid. I can't tell you what exactly happened, there's less than a handful of people that can. You can sit the 8 or so ppl in a room together and get 8 different stories.
     
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    Auggie and limo driver, I don't know what you guys are talking about. Did you listen to the interview with the actual owners? They laid out there side, the basic facts from the anonymous source aren't being disputed. There was also much more than a "verbal contract". I don't know where you keep getting that from. They claim they had a signed contract and the artist was in Vegas but failed to show. That's an issue between them and the artist, but not the customers who paid to see him. Not once in the interview did the owners even acknowledge that, instead they played victim and she spent more time talking about how she was the first female nightclub owner in Vegas and how she has a reputation to protect and other crap. The fact is they failed to deliver what customers paid for, and instead of offering them their money back they called the police to make sure they wouldn't riot. Nice, I'm sure Vegas residents love that use of tax dollars.

    What's with all these "assumptions" and giving people the benefit of the doubt when if you click on the interview you can hear the owner's side clearly laid out in a radio interview with a station right here in NY. The timeline is pretty clear too, the incident with Future happened in May during the previous Mayweather fight, now during this weekend's Mayweather fight they were promoting that Trina would perform. They lay out the flyers and ads that were going up even on that day claiming she would be there that night to perform. Meanwhile Trina was posting over her own social media that she was performing in Miami that night, when people questioned the club about it they (or the promoter who is also a partner) claimed they confirmed she would still be there even on the day of the show. This is repeated behavior.

    If you can't see this all for being either complete incompetence, total bullshit, or downright fraud then you're wearing the brightest rose colored glasses in the world. lasvegas_limo_driver if its normal in your business to sell things you have no rights over, just based on some verbal agreement with a stranger, and its common for those agreements to never be honored but you keep the money - then you either work in the sleaziest side of your business or your entire business is sleazy and ghetto. Pretty funny also to think a contract that involves a few people on each side (by your own measure) is extremely complicated. Ha! paperposter is right, that's simple business. You're acting like it takes rocket scientists to know how to book B-level talent, even though it happens everywhere all day long. You say its different in Vegas than every other city? WTF does that mean? To me that just sounds like a cop out for guys in Vegas to use to explain away whey they aren't on par with their peers in other cities.
     
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    yet again. The owner didn't book the talent, or alleged talent. There was another person involved in that. As far as that goes I don't know about anything other than a verbal agreement. The talent said yes, and could have changed their mind, I would have for the money thing. As far as the owner, yes, not the brightest tool in the shed. It seems they either have bad luck with people that know people or they are really premeditating just for cash flow, and that could be.
    Vegas is like some places and unlike others. Talent has to live out to certain expectations or they can be removed or not paid full amount or whatever their contracts are. A lot of appearances are last minute and not always 100% binding. Brittney Spears and Meatloaf both have weird contracts.

    Also, im not defending the club, nor talent nor the person that was originally involved in the booking of talent. all I was saying was from what I heard and we don't know the actual story of what was really going on.
     
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    I think we have beat this horse enough, the conversation has turned too argumetative. Locked up.
     
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